Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods • Hacker News Board

Re: Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods

#201

Post by diroussel » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 7:17 AM UTC

danachow wrote: post #152

glitchc wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Harm in the spec specifically means personal injury or leading to personal injury. Headphones not working is an inconvenience. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here.

No. The FCC definition of harmful is easily searchable but it is basically the same as the Canadian (Industry Canada) definition - the FCC definition is more specific about safety-related systems including radio navigation systems: "endangers the use or functioning of a safety-related radiocommunications system, or significantly degrades or obstructs, or repeatedly interrupts, the use or functioning of radio apparatu…

The whole reason that these systems (Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and unifying) use 2.4GHz is because it’s unregulated.

So if one Bluetooth device interferes with another, but not other bands, then it won’t be breaking any laws. But it might be breaking a contract about the use of the Bluetooth or Wi-Fi logos.

Re: Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods

#202

Post by max23_ » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 7:23 AM UTC

My experience was not good when I used the MX Master 3 with bluetooth. The cursor would sometimes lag which probably due to interference.

I never looked back since switching to the unifying receiver.

Re: Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods

#203

Post by neurostimulant » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 7:28 AM UTC

can16358p wrote: post #9

What's the problem of Logitech with Bluetooth? Unrelated to this issue, I bought a Bluetooth audio-to-analog out dongle to stream to my speakers, only to find out that I could not disconnect any paired device from it. It automatically connected to any paired device if the other device's Bluetooth is on. The moment I forcefully disconnect it forcefully connected again. I searched the web to see others' exact same issu…

All bluetooth audio dongles work like that, from all manufacturers. They'll automatically connect to the first open audio devices they see, so you shouldn't leave the dongle plugged when not used. It is very infuriating when you have a neighbor that plugs their dongle all the time and it constantly connect to your bluetooth headphone the moment you put it to pairing mode.

Re: Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods

#204

Post by wodenokoto » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 7:29 AM UTC

torstenvl wrote: post #168

SECProto wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My favourite part about wires is that there's never interference or poor connectivity. Aux headphones, ethernet cables, wired mouse and keyboard - all so much more painless.

I used to be able to tell I was about to get a GSM text message by the way my (wired) computer speakers would make a distinct quiet staccato crackle sound.

Why did that stop happening? I remember back in the early 2000s you might even come across a live concert where an incoming text message got caught in the PA and broadcast to the entire audience.

Re: Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods

#205

Post by Algent » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 7:34 AM UTC

I wonder if this is why I have some intermittent issues with my jabra headset. Since I'm using a mx anywhere in Bluetooth at the same time. It's not often and usually solved by power cycling the headset.

Re: Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods

#206

Post by davnicwil » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 7:35 AM UTC

wodenokoto wrote: post #204

torstenvl wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be able to tell I was about to get a GSM text message by the way my (wired) computer speakers would make a distinct quiet staccato crackle sound.

Why did that stop happening? I remember back in the early 2000s you might even come across a live concert where an incoming text message got caught in the PA and broadcast to the entire audience.

Wow. I've just for the first time ever realised that you might be able to derive the content of the SMS from the specific pattern of interference you would hear on speakers. Like, it seems plausible that is the case. Is that what you mean here by broadcast - or just the fact there was a message was broadcast?

Re: Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods

#207

Post by raverbashing » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 7:42 AM UTC

Yes, but please tell me again how wireless headphones (and keyboards/mice) completely replaced wired ones...

Somebody needs to check with a SDR what is that Logitech is doing there

Re: Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods

#208

Post by chrisandchris » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 7:44 AM UTC

SECProto wrote: post #36

LeoPanthera wrote: post #3

To summarize: If you use a Logitech bluetooth device, it creates enough interference that high-bandwidth products like the Airpods will not function correctly. If you switch the Logitech device to use their "unifying" adapter, which doesn't use bluetooth but a different proprietary wireless protocol, the problem goes away. Logitech acknowledged the problem about six months ago but thus far have deflected any further…

My favourite part about wires is that there's never interference or poor connectivity. Aux headphones, ethernet cables, wired mouse and keyboard - all so much more painless.

> My favourite part about wires is that there's never interference or poor connectivity. [...]

What a happy world. There's enough interference in cabling, but most time it's not enough to cause any issues. Had a case once where an AP with PoE did not work properly (started, then died, repeat) and the issue was that we had to much cable somewhere and rolled it. Interference caused issues, despite using STP and Cat. 6...

Re: Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods

#209

Post by saiya-jin » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 7:44 AM UTC

torstenvl wrote: post #168

SECProto wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My favourite part about wires is that there's never interference or poor connectivity. Aux headphones, ethernet cables, wired mouse and keyboard - all so much more painless.

I used to be able to tell I was about to get a GSM text message by the way my (wired) computer speakers would make a distinct quiet staccato crackle sound.

It was even better - I knew based on the 'melody' of speakers if I am receiving SMS or a call (and ie started walking to the desk to pick it up)

Re: Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods

#210

Post by aspyct » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 8:04 AM UTC

noirbot wrote: post #40

SECProto wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My favourite part about wires is that there's never interference or poor connectivity. Aux headphones, ethernet cables, wired mouse and keyboard - all so much more painless.

I dunno, if you haven't run into audio or video interference on a wired device, you're lucky or have quality cables. I've definitely picked up radio stations on headphones or had nearby electrical currents induce an annoying buzz in a microphone or distort a video signal.

My personal best is receiving German radio (I'm from Belgium) through my Logitech 5.1 sounds system. Only when the volume was at minimum or maximum.

So odd.