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Re: Pronunciation Guide for Unix

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Post by na85 »

VTimofeenko wrote: post #48
alisonatwork wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fun working with people from different countries who have developed their own regional pronunciation. I recall French colleagues pronouncing a lot of stuff that commonly starts with ch- (chroot, chmod, chown etc) with a sh- sound. Other people (including me) pronounce both letters C and H. I like that a lot of common tools don't really have a canonical pronunciation because they have spread in use far beyond the…

>pronounce both letters C and H Do you mean C as in "s" sound or as in "k" sound, or...? Oh, the "ctl"s... I got used to pronouncing it at "ka-te-el".

I think they mean "see aitch root"

Re: Pronunciation Guide for Unix

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Post by paulannesley »

amyjess wrote: post #35
vincent-manis wrote: post #9

I don't want to blame “sharp” for # on Microsoft. Back in the 1970s, it was the standard pronunciation around the University of BC. And in those days, many terminals and other output devices were somewhat low-fidelity, so the difference between the octothorp and the sharp would not have been visible.

Also I'm fairly sure "shebang" is a contraction of "sharp bang".

Looks like that's a leading theory:

> … may have come from an inexact contraction of SHArp bang or haSH bang, referring to the two typical Unix names for them. Another theory on the sh in shebang is that it is from the default shell sh …

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix)#Etymology

Re: Pronunciation Guide for Unix

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Post by rahen »

alisonatwork wrote: post #25
VTimofeenko wrote: post #19

> ¤ > Sonne So that's what that symbol meant on the good old КУВТ-2. Now my life is complete. Having learned Unix-y stuff in non-English environment, I still pronounce a lot of things in a weird way despite having very little accent otherwise. /etc will always be either "ye-t-k" or "ye-t-tse" and yum will be "yu-oo-m"

It's fun working with people from different countries who have developed their own regional pronunciation. I recall French colleagues pronouncing a lot of stuff that commonly starts with ch- (chroot, chmod, chown etc) with a sh- sound. Other people (including me) pronounce both letters C and H. I like that a lot of common tools don't really have a canonical pronunciation because they have spread in use far beyond the…

> I recall French colleagues pronouncing a lot of stuff that commonly starts with ch- (chroot, chmod, chown etc) with a sh- sound.

Some other annoying pronunciations I sometimes hear are "yoom" and "pooty" for Yum and Putty. Yet for some reason they get GRUB right, I haven't figured out why.

English isn't a phonetically consistent language (ex, "u" sounds different in "put" and "dug") so I guess it can be confusing to some when needing to pronounce a new product name.

Re: Pronunciation Guide for Unix

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Post by mathieuh »

nequo wrote: post #40
scarby2 wrote: post #36

it confuses me that he lists brackets as [] but not for (). () are brackets [] are square brackets and {} are curly brackets. certainly if you're from the UK and in maths class grew up being told about: BODMAS - Brackets, Orders Division, Multiplication, Addition Subtraction I believe PEMDAS is more common in the USA

That's interesting. Wiktionary says that brackets are () in the UK but [] in the US, and that other brackets are called different things to disambiguate them. Using "brackets" for parentheses certainly sounds odd to me even though I never learned "PEMDAS."

In the UK:

() are brackets

[] are square brackets

{} are curly brackets

are angle brackets

in school I don't think I ever heard the word "parentheses" used to refer to (), or at all for that matter.

Re: Pronunciation Guide for Unix

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Post by nequo »

mathieuh wrote: post #55
nequo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's interesting. Wiktionary says that brackets are () in the UK but [] in the US, and that other brackets are called different things to disambiguate them. Using "brackets" for parentheses certainly sounds odd to me even though I never learned "PEMDAS."

In the UK: () are brackets [] are square brackets {} are curly brackets are angle brackets in school I don't think I ever heard the word "parentheses" used to refer to (), or at all for that matter.

> in school I don't think I ever heard the word "parentheses" used to refer to (), or at all for that matter.

Only in maths or ever?

Re: Pronunciation Guide for Unix

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Post by Symbiote »

nequo wrote: post #56
mathieuh wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK: () are brackets [] are square brackets {} are curly brackets are angle brackets in school I don't think I ever heard the word "parentheses" used to refer to (), or at all for that matter.

> in school I don't think I ever heard the word "parentheses" used to refer to (), or at all for that matter. Only in maths or ever?

The word parentheses is very rarely used in Britain.

(Brackets), [square brackets], {curly brackets or braces} and are the terms used in all fields, maths and normal life included.

Re: Pronunciation Guide for Unix

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Post by veltas »

mathieuh wrote: post #55
nequo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's interesting. Wiktionary says that brackets are () in the UK but [] in the US, and that other brackets are called different things to disambiguate them. Using "brackets" for parentheses certainly sounds odd to me even though I never learned "PEMDAS."

In the UK: () are brackets [] are square brackets {} are curly brackets are angle brackets in school I don't think I ever heard the word "parentheses" used to refer to (), or at all for that matter.

I heard it (in UK) referring to { }.

In programming circles I've come to expect: () parens, [] brackets, {} braces. Probably easier if we all try to stick to that.

Re: Pronunciation Guide for Unix

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Post by implements »

na85 wrote: post #50
makach wrote: post #39

I am glad to see that I have been properly indoctrinated. A little bit disappointed that it doesn't clarify how to pronunciations ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonetic_transcription ), I was expecting that we could settle on gif once and for all.

Only godless savages and the sort of people who talk at the theatre pronounce it with a soft G.

But it does allow the traditional “Beware of geeks bearing gifs!” quip.
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