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Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by softwarebeware »

Just a couple things to note, which make this far from being a case against masking, or mask mandates:

- The data is from one county in CA ...

- ... for the time period June 3 - June 25, about 3 weeks

- Neighboring counties did not have mask mandates at the time, meaning that anyone traveling between counties and not wearing their mask would have spread COVID-19 to Alameda County just as well as if no mask mandate existed

- The article notes that the most likely explanation for the lack of a different outcome from neighboring counties is that people either do not follow mask mandates or do not wear effective masks

Pretty much a non-sequitor article AFAICT

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by aaron695 »

swayvil wrote: post #4

Wearing a mask lets everybody know that we are still in the midst of a very dangerous pandemic. It shows me that you take it seriously. It shows me who takes responsibility for the well-being of their fellow citizens and who doesn't. So even if it serves no practical purpose, it still serves a very important ritualistic purpose.

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Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by boeingUH60 »

swayvil wrote: post #4

Wearing a mask lets everybody know that we are still in the midst of a very dangerous pandemic. It shows me that you take it seriously. It shows me who takes responsibility for the well-being of their fellow citizens and who doesn't. So even if it serves no practical purpose, it still serves a very important ritualistic purpose.

I’m all for caution and taking safety protocol seriously in the midst of such a situation…but jeez, this thing has morphed into a religion for some people.

I’m not sure if it’s sarcasm, so I’ll politely ask…Are you really judging who “takes responsibility for the well-being of their fellow citizens and who doesn't” by mask wearing, at a time when we have widespread availability of Covid vaccines and treatments?

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by 90d »

swayvil wrote: post #4

Wearing a mask lets everybody know that we are still in the midst of a very dangerous pandemic. It shows me that you take it seriously. It shows me who takes responsibility for the well-being of their fellow citizens and who doesn't. So even if it serves no practical purpose, it still serves a very important ritualistic purpose.

Choosing not to play part in what has become political theater has zero relevance to my civic duty.

A cloth mask for you does the same as a blanket for a child. It provides a false sense of security and is a breeding ground for bacteria.

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by pyronik19 »

anm89 wrote: post #10

"working" implies that the goal of mask mandates is to reduce covid and not political theatre so some person in charge could say "we managed the situation". The mandate worked exactly as intended. Worth pointing out that there is nothing conspiratorial about this. It exactly aligns with the real life decision making process of how things like this get enacted

Yes government bureaucrats got to drag political enemies off planes and kick them out of restaurants on the basis of wrongthink, masquerading dogma as science.

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by tomohawk »

swayvil wrote: post #4

Wearing a mask lets everybody know that we are still in the midst of a very dangerous pandemic. It shows me that you take it seriously. It shows me who takes responsibility for the well-being of their fellow citizens and who doesn't. So even if it serves no practical purpose, it still serves a very important ritualistic purpose.

Wearing a mask lets everyone know what team you're on.

This allows people to disrespect others with an easily visible item.

It also allows the powers that be to think they are in control and doing something useful.

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by aeternum »

softwarebeware wrote: post #11

Just a couple things to note, which make this far from being a case against masking, or mask mandates: - The data is from one county in CA ... - ... for the time period June 3 - June 25, about 3 weeks - Neighboring counties did not have mask mandates at the time, meaning that anyone traveling between counties and not wearing their mask would have spread COVID-19 to Alameda County just as well as if no mask mandate ex…

>Neighboring counties did not have mask mandates at the time, meaning that anyone traveling between counties and not wearing their mask would have spread COVID-19 to Alameda County just as well as if no mask mandate existed

So masking is not effective unless we also ban travel from non-mask mandated areas? This very point seems to confirm that masking mandates can't work unless implemented in conjunction with a strict travel ban (which is impractical).

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by bediger4000 »

I'm a little confused. There are some studies that show wearing a mask on public transit helps:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7976046/ https://npli.sph.harvard.edu/resources-2/aviation-public-hea...

And I'll grant there's some other studies that show individual mask wearing makes no difference on modern airplanes. But a lot of modern life is conducted in environments more similar to buses than to 767s that have HEPA filters and engineered airflows through the cabin.

This suggests that there are other things complicating the situation, doesn't it?

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by swechsler »

paulpauper wrote: post #2

Just another example of 'trusting the science' not being as self-evident as commonly assumed. Science is supposed to be tested, not just blindly trusted.

It's worth noting that the story was for mask mandates, not masks in general. I'm reasonably certain that the science still says that masks can be effective in preventing the spread of Covid.

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by TrapLord_Rhodo »

I wonder how future generations will judge us. These last years have showed how weak little sheep we all are. The US has spent more in the last 2 years than our entire countries history, we are racked with debt and stuck in 30 different wars. & yet we are still discussing covid and abortion.

We stopped working for TWO YEARS, made things that were proven to be false from the start, the norm and have somehow seem to have just moved on.

I was canceled at work, some social & professional cicles for calling out the absolute absurdity of masks in general but especially cloth & bandanas. When i spoke about the absolute onslaught of studies that have showed our data was all f*cked and we couldn't make any logical assumptions out of it. We had plans in place to quarantine the old and sickly and we did the exact opposite.

I've always tried to understand how people could fight in hitlers army, now i have my answer. It's much easier to posture and social gesture your way to hell than it is to stand against the immoral tide.

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