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Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by desireco42 »

Jetbrains as a company is wonderful, they treat their customers well and would be a joy to be their subscriber. The only issue is, I tried few times to use their products, they are good, but I prefer vim or visual studio code that are free and give me more. Thoughtworks use them as they empower their consultants with standard toolset. I paired with those guys and it is interesting what they get from the tools, but in the end, I am more comfortable with VS and Vim and command line. Increase font size for example is not simple :).

The whole idea that you can pay a company roughly $250/yr and they take care of your development tooling needs is wonderful. I wish things change and I would be happy to pay 3yrs in advance.

To clarify, I use javascript/typescript, ruby, elixir, sometimes elm, go etc. So no Java.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by phpisthebest »

BrainVirus wrote: post #118
phpisthebest wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well when 80% of all US Dollars were "printed" / created in the last 2-3 years massive inflation will follow What we are seeing is the predictable result of the classic monetary models, and a rejection of Modern Monetary Theory which linked limits of government spending to the availability of real resources, like workers. Which is why you see people like The Treasury Sec saying the Economy is good because of employme…

>Well when 80% of all US Dollars were "printed" / created in the last 2-3 years massive inflation will follow I've heard this is a completely debunked conspiracy theory: https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2022/04/fact-check-80-per... You see, this is why Disinformation Governance Board was a good idea.

your link proves why a Disinformation Governance Board is a TERRIBLE idea.

Notice the comment says "printed" / created, as I was using "printed" in the Figurative meaning not literal meaning

The Fed can create new money with out requesting that money be physically printed by the BEP. This is why a "run on the banks" is a fear, because no bank in the world has enough physical currency to cover all "dollars" in accounts. Only a fraction of dollars exist as a physical item

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by konkordat »

0des wrote: post #106
oxfordmale wrote: post #16

Most JetBrains products are super slow, and resource hogs. I get red mist in front of my eyes whenever I see a DataGrip icon as it tends to consume all your CPU and memory for complex databases regardless of your machine spec. These days I am mostly using VsCode for development and TablePlus/Postico for database development.

I thought I was the only one. For me it was GoLand, not to mention the constant feeling that im being watched. VSCode without telemetry is what I moved to.

Lol. VSCode with telemetry and autoupdates turned off still keeps pinging MS servers. There is your privacy.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by swat535 »

I think this entirely fair and from all the tools that I pay for , Jetbrains is the one that delivers the most value. Not to mention that their licensing model is very well made and you are not even forced to upgrade if you don't want to.

I do, however wish they would focus more on performance and code intellisense than constantly trying to add bells and whistles to their IDE. Don't give me more Github integrations, give me better code analysis, improve inspection with regards to common bugs and security vulnerabilities. Give me better code quality tools and suggest potential ways that I could write a certain code block to improve performance.. these are the features that are most useful for me and since IDEs can index and deeplink everything, they should be able to leverage that to better understand code context for analytics and reporting.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by 202206241203 »

kaba0 wrote: post #149
323 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is your developer salary also adjusted based on country per capita? Or are you getting a mostly Western salary?

Not the parent - it is definitely a better pay than other salaries in the country, but for example in Hungary a junior gets around like 2000 USD (per month) gross (and we have quite huge income tax here as well). Around 2600 USD it would be considered a nice senior salary.

Sounds like it's a better deal to just remain a permanent junior?

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by 202206241203 »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #131

I almost always have at least one subscription with Jetbrains. This all sounds reasonable, especially with competition from VSCode ecosystem as well as LSP support improving.

> reasonable, especially with competition from VSCode ecosystem

Competing with a free product by raising prices? Might work with corporate accounts.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by 1123581321 »

bogwog wrote: post #95

Jetbrains doesn’t get my money because of how much of a confusing mess their product lineup is. They have a bunch of different IDEs sold separately that ultimately seem to be identical except for language support. Why isn’t language support implemented as plugins if all the IDEs share a common framework? Last I checked, it seemed like they do have an “ultimate” version with multiple language support… except that one…

Sublime is great. Clion supports Python (and you can edit any file from any of their products.) The easiest way to figure out if you like their apps before purchase is to just run the EAP version of one if your evaluation period expired.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by 62951413 »

Aeolun wrote: post #10

What the hell is up with prices? Everything I pay in dollars became 20% more expensive. My cereal became 20% more expensive. Jetbrains becomes 20% more expensive. This is the first time in my life (34 yo) that price changes have been so large that they’re apparent to me. And even with a dev salary the combined amount is high enough that it has an impact on my behavior.

Amazing how "Drill, baby, drill!" is still a relevant piece of advice after all those years. And you'll be able to give it in just three months.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by wombatpm »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #116
31835843 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This is the first time in my life (34 yo) that price changes have been so large that they’re apparent to me. We lived through a unique time in history, and that unique time has lasted for our entire adult lives. I’m also 34. I graduated college right when the low interest rates were juicing the economy. But the party had to come to an end sometime. Ask your parents what it was like in the 1970s. Oil shocks, interest…

> Oil shocks, interest rates at 15%. History rhymes. Except the G-20 average public debt in the 70s was like 30% of the GDP. We cannot go to interest rates at 15% with countries having 100%+ public debt (as is the case nearly everywhere in Europe for example).

We’ll they can, but the trick is to not add new debt and pay the old debt with inflated dollars. Welcome to austerity 2.0

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by Dayshine »

bogwog wrote: post #95

Jetbrains doesn’t get my money because of how much of a confusing mess their product lineup is. They have a bunch of different IDEs sold separately that ultimately seem to be identical except for language support. Why isn’t language support implemented as plugins if all the IDEs share a common framework? Last I checked, it seemed like they do have an “ultimate” version with multiple language support… except that one…

They have a comparison tool:

https://www.jetbrains.com/products/compare/?product=clion&pr...

But yes, it's simultaneously weird and great that the most cross-application languages (Python/Javascript) are supported in every IDE.

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