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Re: The most expensive coding font for free?

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Post by shadowfiend »

bh42222 wrote: post #20
hellweaver666 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People engaging in tax avoidance in Italy and Greece are one of the reasons why these countries are balls deep in financial problems at the moment. I saw a stat the other day that stated there were more Porsches in Greece than people declaring they earn enough to actually afford to buy them (by a significant amount)

Huge numbers of people engaging in tax avoidance in Italy and Greece is primarily the result of of a broken tax system.

If by broken you mean a catastrophic cultural failure to acknowledge that you should pay your taxes, and a resultant lack of enforcement, then yes.

Re: The most expensive coding font for free?

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Post by dman »

stdbrouw wrote: post #6

There are just so many wonderful monospace fonts already out there that either come with your OS (Monaco, Consolas, Ubuntu Mono) or are free that I don't know why I should bother. People still pay for fonts instead of downloading cheap knockoffs because of ligatures, a wide amount of characters and meticulous kerning. All things that a monospaced font doesn't need. The one thing this font seems to add is that it is s…

I program with the Computer Modern Typewriter font. Its free and looks pretty good.

Re: The most expensive coding font for free?

#43

Post by tripzilch »

fabrizioschiavi wrote: post #19
stdbrouw wrote: post #6

There are just so many wonderful monospace fonts already out there that either come with your OS (Monaco, Consolas, Ubuntu Mono) or are free that I don't know why I should bother. People still pay for fonts instead of downloading cheap knockoffs because of ligatures, a wide amount of characters and meticulous kerning. All things that a monospaced font doesn't need. The one thing this font seems to add is that it is s…

True. There are a lot good monospaced font but it's impossible for me working at screen with these cool fonts for this I designed PragmataPro. Tastes are tastes. All the glyphs of PragmataPro are designed under suggestions of programmers. In the set there are many glyphs ignored by other monospaced font designers, because I designed this font with programmers for programmers. PragmataPro are designed to work with and…

Could you give some explicit examples where you think PragmataPro is better than, say, Consolas?

(except for the APL glyphs, I'm not sure if Consolas has those)

Also, what possessed you to make a monospaced programming font condensed? Squeezing the proportions that way either allows you more characters on a line (bad programming practice) or less lines on a screen (also not good).

PS in your screenshot, the special ligature things such as the smiley and the (P), are partly cut off.

Re: The most expensive coding font for free?

#44

Post by tripzilch »

natesm wrote: post #29

Why is it so narrow? It reminds me of doing things like "} else {" in code, packing lots of content onto the screen and removing all readability.

Because in the 90s textmode screens looked like that. Except back in those days it was done to be able to fit 80 characters on a line instead of just 40.

Today it enables programmers to fit WAY more characters on a line.

It's like, the perfect oneliner font.

Re: The most expensive coding font for free?

#45

Post by fabrizioschiavi »

achompas wrote: post #34

Let's delay arguments about whether one should change fonts or not [0] and think about crowdfunding applied to design work. We should be more interested in whether this will work, and why or why not. Last summer, Hyperakt [1] crowd-funded a beautiful radial depiction of the 2010 World Cup brackets [2]. I paid $25 for a great poster [3], and now Deroy has a new fan. That project worked for the same reason all Kickstar…

Dude, you are distrustful... it's not the case:

I'm at the 50% of the work with PragmataPro, anyone can realize it just by looking at the screenshots. If I wanted to escape with the loot I would not be so stupid to draw about 1600 glyphs spending 3 years of my life.

Revenue from sales of licenses are not sufficient to cover even 10% of the time I used to arrive here.

Then came the piracy that has stopped the sales.

My dream is to finish this project getting the appropriate reward for my hard work. Am I wrong to dream this?

Re: The most expensive coding font for free?

#47

Post by Karunamon »

shadowfiend wrote: post #41
bh42222 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huge numbers of people engaging in tax avoidance in Italy and Greece is primarily the result of of a broken tax system.

If by broken you mean a catastrophic cultural failure to acknowledge that you should pay your taxes, and a resultant lack of enforcement, then yes.

I'd be considering avoidance too if I had to give just under half of everything I make to the government.

*edit And there are perfectly legal ways to reduce your tax burden. The point I'm laboring so hard to make here is that it's an absurd tax rate.

Re: The most expensive coding font for free?

#48

Post by natesm »

sophacles wrote: post #46
natesm wrote: post #29

Why is it so narrow? It reminds me of doing things like "} else {" in code, packing lots of content onto the screen and removing all readability.

wait... what wrong with "} else {" ? It provides a simple and easy grouping of blocks.

This is obviously personal preference and opinion and all of that, but that's the whole point of discussion, so:

    if (something) {
    	something();
    } else {
    	something_else();
    }
vs.

    if (something)
    {
    	something();
    }
    else
    {
    	something_else();
    }
To me, the first one is chaotic. It's not so bad like that, but throw in a loop (as well as the external function declaration) and it's a complete mess.

The second one is orderly. Block separation is very clear, and each brace is matched by an equal.

IMO, if you need to worry about how many lines of code fit on your screen, it's probably time to refactor (or upgrade from a netbook).

I might be crazy though, because I write

    int* foo
instead of

    int *foo
And no one does that. Pointers are a type!

Re: The most expensive coding font for free?

#49

Post by sp332 »

Having both Latin and Cyrillic scripts done well in a single monospace font is extremely rare. Even Ubunto Mono (which is brand-new and still in active development) is having trouble, and they're professionals who take suggestions from users very seriously. e.g. http://blog.cosmix.org/2011/10/04/ubuntu-mono-the-gamma-trav... . No one has said publicly how much Canonical is paying Dalton Maag to make the Ubuntu font family, but I'm sure it's a lot more than $220,000.

Re: The most expensive coding font for free?

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Post by shadowfiend »

tripzilch wrote: post #43
fabrizioschiavi wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. There are a lot good monospaced font but it's impossible for me working at screen with these cool fonts for this I designed PragmataPro. Tastes are tastes. All the glyphs of PragmataPro are designed under suggestions of programmers. In the set there are many glyphs ignored by other monospaced font designers, because I designed this font with programmers for programmers. PragmataPro are designed to work with and…

Could you give some explicit examples where you think PragmataPro is better than, say, Consolas? (except for the APL glyphs, I'm not sure if Consolas has those) Also, what possessed you to make a monospaced programming font condensed ? Squeezing the proportions that way either allows you more characters on a line (bad programming practice) or less lines on a screen (also not good). PS in your screenshot, the special…

Still not sure if I like it, but squeezing proportions doesn't only allow more characters on a line: in editors that support split views, it allows you to view 80 characters per line side-by-side in two files on screens that aren't as wide, plus fit your file browser on the left (again, if your editor has one). There are definitely uses.

Not sure how the font being narrower results in less lines on a screen, though. I doubt the font height is greater.

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