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Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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With 10 USD, I can buy 1 weeks worth of food in my country. I wish SASS, software providers like Jetbrains adjusts their price based on country per capita.

People in rich countries hate it when companies do that. There's also the additional hassle of verifying addresses. All so you can get a little extra money from some poor countries. I can see why they wouldn't bother.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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I don’t have much to add but what I do have is a question. What happens when people are priced out of economic activity. Most recent memory of this much economic turbulence is ‘08 but the conditions between then and now are incomparable.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

#23
post #10

What the hell is up with prices? Everything I pay in dollars became 20% more expensive. My cereal became 20% more expensive. Jetbrains becomes 20% more expensive. This is the first time in my life (34 yo) that price changes have been so large that they’re apparent to me. And even with a dev salary the combined amount is high enough that it has an impact on my behavior.

Well when 80% of all US Dollars were "printed" / created in the last 2-3 years massive inflation will follow What we are seeing is the predictable result of the classic monetary models, and a rejection of Modern Monetary Theory which linked limits of government spending to the availability of real resources, like workers. Which is why you see people like The Treasury Sec saying the Economy is good because of employme…

>> What we are seeing is the predictable result of the classic monetary models

Respectfully, models that are known to be wrong, as all models are - they are models after all.

Austerity - where has that ever worked? Post-war Germany and... ??? I mean it's constantly tried everywhere (Greece is a good recent example of its futility). Classic monetary models clearly predict it should work, we've tried it hundreds of times in different countries over the past ~100 years, and it's worked once. Maybe we just need to try extra super duper hard the next time?

My skepticism rises when i hear people confidently proclaim their economoic model predicts anything at the macro level. What we're seeing is a lazy attempt to ignore the models are not useful. If prices stay low for 5 more years than the models predict then we are told by the over-confident types that we should just wait a little longer to see the effect but they're coming. If prices go up then "AHA! Justified, i told you so". Prices can ONLY go down, up or stay the same - if you wait long enough of course they go up!

There's a big wooly gap between alleged cause and effect that we're just supposed to not question when people confidently tell us their model predicted the outcome.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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I’m a big user of both Vim and Emacs and agree that they offer huge productivity boosts as editors. The speed that modal editing (Vim) gives you or the extensibility of Emacs is unparalleled. But at the same time I believe it’s naive to underestimate the productivity offered by IDEs such as IntelliJ or Pycharm. While news tools such as LSP are wonderful additions to Vil/Emacs, the experience doesn’t come close to wha…

IdeaVim works fine. I can't use vim sandwich and that's about my only complaint.

I was firmly resistant to IDEs like OP and quite in love with neovim for years. Tried PyCharm because of work, never looking back.

I could never find just a simple debugger for vim that was easy and intuitive to set up. Always had trouble.

And now, the in-IDE Jupyter Notebooks that allow me to use vim keybindings (albeit with an annoying bug that at least has a workaround https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/VIM-2504) has completely changed the way I work.

Are there occasionally show stopper bugs? Yes. Is it worth it for amazing debugger integration? Absolutely.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Well in advance. Thanks.

By the way I think it would be nice to also have a hobbyist license option for those who barely use it and don't earn any money this way. The actual price seems almost free in terms of how much a full-time developer would earn using it yet slightly expensive for something [awesome] I only launch on some occasions a year.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Yeah, I saw this coming when they sent around a survey a couple of months back asking what people thought of their current pricing and what price increases they would stomach before ditching it.

An extra £16 per year for IntelliJ seems OK as rises go.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

#27
post #10

What the hell is up with prices? Everything I pay in dollars became 20% more expensive. My cereal became 20% more expensive. Jetbrains becomes 20% more expensive. This is the first time in my life (34 yo) that price changes have been so large that they’re apparent to me. And even with a dev salary the combined amount is high enough that it has an impact on my behavior.

USD is becoming worthless, the fed kept printing infinite money and people are sick of receiving toilet paper

Also the fact that they had to fire their entire Russian R&D department, and instead rely on Westerners, they are more expensive, so they are forced to increase their price overall, that's my guess

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Well in advance. Thanks. By the way I think it would be nice to also have a hobbyist license option for those who barely use it and don't earn any money this way. The actual price seems almost free in terms of how much a full-time developer would earn using it yet slightly expensive for something [awesome] I only launch on some occasions a year.

They do offer EAP versions that work for 30 days at a time at no cost. They're arguably sometimes 'unstable'.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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I wish there was a modern terminal-first IDE that has the same amount of backing as VSCode or Jetbrains IDEs. While I enjoy vim's speed and modal editing, the number of barely working plugins that break if you so much as look at it wrong is what keeps driving me back to VSCode + Vim emulator.

For every release of neovim we're getting closer and closer to that vision.

I've been using NVChad (just neovim with a preset of mappings and plug-ins all pre-configured for you) for a while now. And it's been working pretty decent.

But I do get what you're saying. It would be nice to have a single (maybe) entity which delivers all needed plug-ins and support which VS code has today.

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