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Re: Introducing the Gmail app for iPhone, iPad and iPod touch

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I bet it's the same reason Apple products suck on Windows... the devs themselves just don't use the platform.

Well, I'm not convinced it's fair to say that Apple software is worse on Windows. I don't know anyone who's tried Safari on Windows (so maybe it is worse than on a Mac, but I wouldn't know) and while iTunes is certainly absolutely terrible on Windows, from what my Mac owning friends tell me it is just as bad on Macs.

> from what my Mac owning friends tell me it is just as bad on Macs.

Who told you that? I just launched iTunes on my Lion machine, it started up in 5 seconds and started syncing with my phone wirelessly while I scrolled through 18,000 tracks without stuttering & a track played.

iTunes for OS X is arguably a little bloated and lacking direction, but it's still hands down the best library based music player/jukebox for OS X. Nothing else even comes close.

To be fair, you come right out and say you have little experience on the topic either way, so why cast an opinion? As someone who uses Apple's software on Macs and PCs extensively, there is not even a debate to be had about where Apple puts its effort.

You can even test it yourself. Take any Mac, put Windows 7 on it. Launch a clean copy of iTunes in OS X, then reboot and do the same in Windows 7. The OS X version will start up instantly, the Windows one will stall for at least 10-15 seconds. This is just one obvious example, there are plenty more out there.

Re: Introducing the Gmail app for iPhone, iPad and iPod touch

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I'll echo other comments here that this looks like it needs a bit more work. * Notification error on startup: ridiculous * Laggy scrolling (how?) * No support for Send As, which is actually what is really missing from the iPhone Mail app. It's almost there. It needs a bit more love.

You can get send as if you use Google Sync (gmail over exchange instead of imap) and enable the send as setting in their control panel. You can also do it over IMAP by copying and pasting a comma into the account field and adding another email address, I think. You may also have to use the SMTP server with alternate credentials.

Re: Introducing the Gmail app for iPhone, iPad and iPod touch

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Well, I'm not convinced it's fair to say that Apple software is worse on Windows. I don't know anyone who's tried Safari on Windows (so maybe it is worse than on a Mac, but I wouldn't know) and while iTunes is certainly absolutely terrible on Windows, from what my Mac owning friends tell me it is just as bad on Macs.

> from what my Mac owning friends tell me it is just as bad on Macs. Who told you that? I just launched iTunes on my Lion machine, it started up in 5 seconds and started syncing with my phone wirelessly while I scrolled through 18,000 tracks without stuttering & a track played. iTunes for OS X is arguably a little bloated and lacking direction, but it's still hands down the best library based music player/jukebox for…

You're right that I shouldn't have offered a second-hand (my friends') opinion about iTunes and specially not without spelling it out. What happened was that I complained about iTunes on Windows (which I use to put stuff on my iPod Touch), specifically that (1) it sometimes incorrectly marked podcasts as played or as not played, (2) it sometimes hung trying to connect to the iTunes store (for Windows users: if this happens run ipconfig /flushdns in a cmd window and restart iTunes), (3) somethings where hard to find in the UI (I can't remeber my concrete example now, but I did mention it when I complained with my friends), (4) rearranging app icons on the iPod's homescreen is quite buggy: you often windup with empty spots or duplicated icons in iTunes, which then crashes if you try to sync. (I did not complain about startup time, since it doesn't really bother me; and I should also say recent versions of iTunes on Windows don't have some of these problems) My friends said that all of my complaints save for (2) also happened on Macs.

Re: Introducing the Gmail app for iPhone, iPad and iPod touch

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> Do people think companies really behave this way? An interesting anecdote from the Steve Jobs biography: Finding Nemo had just been released to critical acclaim and Pixar were in renegotiation talks about their deal with Disney. (Disney's) Michael Eisner had one powerful trump card. Even if Pixar didn't renew, Disney had the right to make sequels of Toy Story and the other movies Pixar had made, and it owned all th…

Effectively, Disney's negotiation tactic was "re-sign with us, or else we'll spin up a shitty division to make shitty sequels of your movies!" That's from Pixar's perspective. From Disney, it was more like this: "re-sign with us or we will utilise out right to produce sequels, for which you won't be paid" ie, It wasn't a threat to do a bad job - as the parent comment says, companies (almost never) deliberately do bad…

Deciding to do work within a limited budget is tantamount to deliberately doing bad work in many instances. For example, look at Disney's history with direct-to-video sequels -- they exist purely to make money, and contain little of the magic or refinement of their fully budgeted forebears.

Eisner might not have been thinking 'shitty', but I bet he was thinking similar things when approving The Return of Jafar. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107952/)

Re: Introducing the Gmail app for iPhone, iPad and iPod touch

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post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do people think companies really behave this way? An interesting anecdote from the Steve Jobs biography: Finding Nemo had just been released to critical acclaim and Pixar were in renegotiation talks about their deal with Disney. (Disney's) Michael Eisner had one powerful trump card. Even if Pixar didn't renew, Disney had the right to make sequels of Toy Story and the other movies Pixar had made, and it owned all th…

Effectively, Disney's negotiation tactic was "re-sign with us, or else we'll spin up a shitty division to make shitty sequels of your movies!" That's from Pixar's perspective. From Disney, it was more like this: "re-sign with us or we will utilise out right to produce sequels, for which you won't be paid" ie, It wasn't a threat to do a bad job - as the parent comment says, companies (almost never) deliberately do bad…

Furthermore look at the promotional poster for Toy Story 3. It's quite clearly a slap-dash effort made by a third rate hack. I mean, who recalls a product and leaves it on the store shelf, with a strategically placed sticker that could well be saying "NEW!"?

That poster could only have been made to intimidate Pixar.

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