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Re: The Deported

#41

Post by CyanBird »

mrtksn wrote: post #38
f6v wrote: post #37

And with all that genocide talk, Turkey is a NATO member and was(technically is?) an EU candidate. Moreover, rumors are, Finland and Sweden will submit to Turkish demands regarding Kurds. Turkey has also led a military campaign against Armenia together with their satellite just recently. Maybe it really doesn’t bother western liberal democracies whether genocide happened. And it’s only used as a tool.

> Turkey has also led a military campaign against Armenia together with their satellite just recently That is not true, in 2020 Azerbaijan successfully liberated a region that was under Armenian occupation since 1994. I say liberated because that land was and is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan. Also, Azerbaijan suffered atrocities conducted by the Armenians, for example the Khojaly massacre[0]. Yes T…

> That is not true

What you just said does not dispute the fact that turkey led the campaign against Armenia alongside Azerbaijan

You are giving context, which I guess is welcome, but that's not a refutation, because a refutation is not possible given that indeed Turkey fought against Armenia alongside Azerbaijan

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#42

Post by zniturah »

mrtksn wrote: post #38
f6v wrote: post #37

And with all that genocide talk, Turkey is a NATO member and was(technically is?) an EU candidate. Moreover, rumors are, Finland and Sweden will submit to Turkish demands regarding Kurds. Turkey has also led a military campaign against Armenia together with their satellite just recently. Maybe it really doesn’t bother western liberal democracies whether genocide happened. And it’s only used as a tool.

> Turkey has also led a military campaign against Armenia together with their satellite just recently That is not true, in 2020 Azerbaijan successfully liberated a region that was under Armenian occupation since 1994. I say liberated because that land was and is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan. Also, Azerbaijan suffered atrocities conducted by the Armenians, for example the Khojaly massacre[0]. Yes T…

What happened in 2020 is that Turkey and Azerbaijan with the direct political support from Israel and UK attacked a small Armenian population on a disputed land, whereas the rest of the world was just silently watching because most of the western politicians were simply bribed by Azerbaijanis government. There are numerous fact about the story, just google it.

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#43

Post by mrtksn »

zniturah wrote: post #42
mrtksn wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Turkey has also led a military campaign against Armenia together with their satellite just recently That is not true, in 2020 Azerbaijan successfully liberated a region that was under Armenian occupation since 1994. I say liberated because that land was and is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan. Also, Azerbaijan suffered atrocities conducted by the Armenians, for example the Khojaly massacre[0]. Yes T…

What happened in 2020 is that Turkey and Azerbaijan with the direct political support from Israel and UK attacked a small Armenian population on a disputed land, whereas the rest of the world was just silently watching because most of the western politicians were simply bribed by Azerbaijanis government. There are numerous fact about the story, just google it.

Strong words about bribed western politicians, considering that the land was owned by Azerbaijan up until Armenia occupied those lands in 1990s.

Yes, the lands were disputed and the dispute was resolved by Azerbaijan winning the lands back after 16 years of occupation.

Re: The Deported

#44

Post by mrtksn »

CyanBird wrote: post #41
mrtksn wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Turkey has also led a military campaign against Armenia together with their satellite just recently That is not true, in 2020 Azerbaijan successfully liberated a region that was under Armenian occupation since 1994. I say liberated because that land was and is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan. Also, Azerbaijan suffered atrocities conducted by the Armenians, for example the Khojaly massacre[0]. Yes T…

> That is not true What you just said does not dispute the fact that turkey led the campaign against Armenia alongside Azerbaijan You are giving context, which I guess is welcome, but that's not a refutation, because a refutation is not possible given that indeed Turkey fought against Armenia alongside Azerbaijan

Azerbaijan is not Turkey's satellite state and Turkey did not start the war to liberate Azerbaijans internationally recognized territories[0].

Azerbaijan is a sovereign country which was a communist one from 1920 to 1991[1], Turkey did not exist in 1920[2].

Turkey did assist Azerbaijan's war. Together with Israel, Turkey was among the primary supporters of Azerbaijan and the cooperation went very deep indeed.[3]

I also concur on the importance of Googling things.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan_Soviet_Socialist_Re...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nagorno-Karabakh_war

Re: The Deported

#45

Post by zniturah »

mrtksn wrote: post #43
zniturah wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happened in 2020 is that Turkey and Azerbaijan with the direct political support from Israel and UK attacked a small Armenian population on a disputed land, whereas the rest of the world was just silently watching because most of the western politicians were simply bribed by Azerbaijanis government. There are numerous fact about the story, just google it.

Strong words about bribed western politicians, considering that the land was owned by Azerbaijan up until Armenia occupied those lands in 1990s. Yes, the lands were disputed and the dispute was resolved by Azerbaijan winning the lands back after 16 years of occupation.

Strong words about Azerbaijan winning back the land. ~150K Armenians leave in Artsakh today and btw have you heard of 2K Russian troops defending Armenians in Artsakh?

Re: The Deported

#46

Post by zniturah »

mrtksn wrote: post #44
CyanBird wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is not true What you just said does not dispute the fact that turkey led the campaign against Armenia alongside Azerbaijan You are giving context, which I guess is welcome, but that's not a refutation, because a refutation is not possible given that indeed Turkey fought against Armenia alongside Azerbaijan

Azerbaijan is not Turkey's satellite state and Turkey did not start the war to liberate Azerbaijans internationally recognized territories[0]. Azerbaijan is a sovereign country which was a communist one from 1920 to 1991[1], Turkey did not exist in 1920[2]. Turkey did assist Azerbaijan's war. Together with Israel, Turkey was among the primary supporters of Azerbaijan and the cooperation went very deep indeed.[3] I al…

mrtksn stop spamming and spreading miss-information, people on HN are reasonable enough to check the facts properly. Thus is not your FB or insta jazz.

Re: The Deported

#47

Post by mrtksn »

zniturah wrote: post #45
mrtksn wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strong words about bribed western politicians, considering that the land was owned by Azerbaijan up until Armenia occupied those lands in 1990s. Yes, the lands were disputed and the dispute was resolved by Azerbaijan winning the lands back after 16 years of occupation.

Strong words about Azerbaijan winning back the land. ~150K Armenians leave in Artsakh today and btw have you heard of 2K Russian troops defending Armenians in Artsakh?

Of course a lot of Armenians live there.

But a lot of Turks live in Bulgaria(%10 of the population), a lot of Russians live in Ukraine and the baltic states, a lot of Azeri live in Iran. On each and every case, they are concentrated in some specific regions.

Do you think that Turkey should invade Bulgaria, Russia rightfully invaded Ukraine and has the right to invade Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova and many others. Do you think that Azerbaijan should invade Iran?

Re: The Deported

#48

Post by mrtksn »

zniturah wrote: post #46
mrtksn wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Azerbaijan is not Turkey's satellite state and Turkey did not start the war to liberate Azerbaijans internationally recognized territories[0]. Azerbaijan is a sovereign country which was a communist one from 1920 to 1991[1], Turkey did not exist in 1920[2]. Turkey did assist Azerbaijan's war. Together with Israel, Turkey was among the primary supporters of Azerbaijan and the cooperation went very deep indeed.[3] I al…

mrtksn stop spamming and spreading miss-information, people on HN are reasonable enough to check the facts properly. Thus is not your FB or insta jazz.

Please list the inaccuracies of my comments together with the sources and I will fix it.

I'm sorry to disturb your narrative but I am not spamming.

Re: The Deported

#49

Post by zniturah »

mrtksn wrote: post #47
zniturah wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strong words about Azerbaijan winning back the land. ~150K Armenians leave in Artsakh today and btw have you heard of 2K Russian troops defending Armenians in Artsakh?

Of course a lot of Armenians live there. But a lot of Turks live in Bulgaria(%10 of the population), a lot of Russians live in Ukraine and the baltic states, a lot of Azeri live in Iran. On each and every case, they are concentrated in some specific regions. Do you think that Turkey should invade Bulgaria, Russia rightfully invaded Ukraine and has the right to invade Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova and many others. Do you…

Artsakh was Armenian land for centuries, thats the point your are missing.

Re: The Deported

#50

Post by mrtksn »

zniturah wrote: post #49
mrtksn wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course a lot of Armenians live there. But a lot of Turks live in Bulgaria(%10 of the population), a lot of Russians live in Ukraine and the baltic states, a lot of Azeri live in Iran. On each and every case, they are concentrated in some specific regions. Do you think that Turkey should invade Bulgaria, Russia rightfully invaded Ukraine and has the right to invade Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova and many others. Do you…

Artsakh was Armenian land for centuries, thats the point your are missing.

Russia says the same thing for Ukraine and other parts of the Europe.

Let's agree to disagree on this one.

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