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FTC Sues Walmart for Facilitating Money Transfer Fraud

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Re: FTC Sues Walmart for Facilitating Money Transfer Fraud

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post #19

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And yet two commissioners voted "no". Wanna guess who appointed them?

Some people are philosophically opposed to turning private companies into arms of federal law enforcement agencies. That doesn't mean they are in favor of fraud.

There are people philosophically opposed to laws against facilitating fraud? In many cases, the fraudsters hired on with Walmart and the company profited from these transfers.

Re: FTC Sues Walmart for Facilitating Money Transfer Fraud

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There was actually a news article with the exact scenario. I showed it to my daughter at the counter as a way to get her to slow down and think.

Can you post a link to the article? I’m having a hard time understanding the scam based on your comment.

https://www.wistv.com/2019/10/23/authorities-warn-businesses...

Re: FTC Sues Walmart for Facilitating Money Transfer Fraud

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post #15

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> An auditor over the course of 2 hours convinced her An auditor, or a voice on a phone?

Hi it’s me your irs tax audioter accounter cto manager I need you to buy many Amex gift cards and send me the codes so I can surprise the Ukrainians with them. Sincerely, totally honest guy.

It was initially just a simple request to countdown register.

But he never stopped taking and never let her put phone down. Never gave her a moment to think.

Re: FTC Sues Walmart for Facilitating Money Transfer Fraud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was actually a news article with the exact scenario. I showed it to my daughter at the counter as a way to get her to slow down and think.

Can you post a link to the article? I’m having a hard time understanding the scam based on your comment.

Someone called the daughter (a Walmart employee) on the phone and convinced her they were an "auditor" for Walmart.

They convinced the daughter to take cash (from the register? from the safe?) to another store and almost convinced her send it to a green dot card (some kind of debit card?).

Re: FTC Sues Walmart for Facilitating Money Transfer Fraud

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Related to this, I do not understand how Green Dot is still in business. I worked for a fintech, and literally every single attempted transaction we got from a Green Dot card was fraud. We wrote special logic in the code that specifically required all Green Dot transactions to get a manual review - I can't remember if we switched this to just outright reject, because I'm not exaggerating when I say we never got a val…

I used to work for a utility company. Almost every fraud included walking into a Duane reed and filling a green dot card. Every time I see one I just think of all those poor people.

Once as a contractor in the early 2000s I did a few months at tracfone. While not scamming people directly they definitely knew a lot of their business was people needing phones for shady stuff.

Re: FTC Sues Walmart for Facilitating Money Transfer Fraud

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Related to this, I do not understand how Green Dot is still in business. I worked for a fintech, and literally every single attempted transaction we got from a Green Dot card was fraud. We wrote special logic in the code that specifically required all Green Dot transactions to get a manual review - I can't remember if we switched this to just outright reject, because I'm not exaggerating when I say we never got a val…

I remember people used to use green dot to buy drugs on forums before silk road was around

Re: FTC Sues Walmart for Facilitating Money Transfer Fraud

#37
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet two commissioners voted "no". Wanna guess who appointed them?

Some people are philosophically opposed to turning private companies into arms of federal law enforcement agencies. That doesn't mean they are in favor of fraud.

The answer is a lot simpler than that, which is that it looks good politically for them to oppose Democrats and voting no doesn't actually do anything so it's safe to do so.

There are Republican AGs going after fraud cases all the time, you just don't read about it in national news.

Re: FTC Sues Walmart for Facilitating Money Transfer Fraud

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet two commissioners voted "no". Wanna guess who appointed them?

Some people are philosophically opposed to turning private companies into arms of federal law enforcement agencies. That doesn't mean they are in favor of fraud.

This concern

> opposed to turning private companies into arms of federal law enforcement agencies.

does not explain this policy

> “If you suspect fraud, complete the transaction.”

If there is suspicion of fraud and yet still direct your employees complete the transaction, sure, maybe you're not literally in favor of fraud. But it does mean that you don't care if there's fraud. There's little daylight between not caring about fraud and being in favor of it at Walmart's scale.

Re: FTC Sues Walmart for Facilitating Money Transfer Fraud

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people are philosophically opposed to turning private companies into arms of federal law enforcement agencies. That doesn't mean they are in favor of fraud.

There are people philosophically opposed to laws against facilitating fraud? In many cases, the fraudsters hired on with Walmart and the company profited from these transfers.

I have a hard time believing that Walmart actually knew or intended for fraud to occur. I dont think they should be charged unless there is evidence they sought to facilitate fraud or violated some other law. These FTC regs are so vague they could charge any company for anything and I dont trust govt not to abuse that power

Re: FTC Sues Walmart for Facilitating Money Transfer Fraud

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So she still took thousands in cash out the door with her? It sounds like she went right back to work and put it back, but if anyone found out she had taken that money off the property, I doubt she would keep her job. I would recommend not sharing this story with anyone else.

She immediately called her boss. She didn’t get fired. Boss was initially sympathetic. But she lost her promotion. Then had hours cut. So she had to leave.

Honestly? This sounds like a constructive dismissal - designed to avoid claims of retaliation and victim blaming in a sympathetic case - to me.
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