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Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by RobertRoberts »

mcphage wrote: post #154
RobertRoberts wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I didn't know there was an invasion when asked about Ukraine, but I knew about the past history. (some at least)

So you were asked something about a major current event, you're surprised that they don't know about what happened 10 years ago, and they're surprised you don't know about what's happening now . Blank stares all around, I guess.

Yes, it was the morning after the Russian invasion. I just wasn't on the internet. Before that moment, Russia was just posturing on the border.

This is my point, it's easy to just not know something at any point in time, let alone some things you will only know if you have varying news sources, even if it's many years old.

How many of your friends, family and acquaintances know about the civil war in Ukraine for the nearly past decade?

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by intrasight »

blamestross wrote: post #108
intrasight wrote: post #98

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We don't watch signature keys - we watch videos. The TV will have to match every short segment - perhaps 5 seconds of video - against a blockchain which scores the validity of that segment - and of course looking back to it's original source. Signing the whole video is necessary but not sufficient. But yes, this is going to be resource-intensive.

> against a blockchain which scores the validity of that segment Why not just allow a cert with that information to be delivered alongside the video? Where would the "score" come from?

score is ai and/or crowdsourced and comes from a special blockchain

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by blamestross »

intrasight wrote: post #162
blamestross wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> against a blockchain which scores the validity of that segment Why not just allow a cert with that information to be delivered alongside the video? Where would the "score" come from?

score is ai and/or crowdsourced and comes from a special blockchain

Why would either of those things need a block-chain?

Crowd-sourced is already "network of trust".

An AI based score would have to be produced by a centralized provider, so network of trust is the reality for that too.

The only way blockchains would provide benefit would be as a distributed discovery mechanism for "review" of the video chunk and having an open ecosystem for that (a dht or trackers) would work better.

Blockchains only ever had a reasonable use case under the assumptions of functional capitalism (and we don't have one of those). The reality is that they can't be sustainable without capture and the market incentives only increase the incentive to capture it.

DHTs and Networks of Trust only have the value of what service they provide and while that is less exciting for scamming people, they have survived and been high functioning for decades.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by narrator »

corrral wrote: post #141
cwkoss wrote: post #109

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Disinformation is very common in traditional news media. This technology just democratizes this tool and allows anyone to engage in it. There will probably be a net increase in disinformation, but citizens will likely also get better at being skeptical of currently unquestioned modes of disinformation.

> There will probably be a net increase in disinformation, but citizens will likely also get better at being skeptical of currently unquestioned modes of disinformation. Russia seems to be farther along this path than we are and every account I've read of their experience of disinfo isn't that they got better at seeking the truth, but instead just assume everything's a lie & nothing's trustworthy, and disappear into…

Implementing dropout to avoid overfitting on bad data.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by synu »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #161
mcphage wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you were asked something about a major current event, you're surprised that they don't know about what happened 10 years ago, and they're surprised you don't know about what's happening now . Blank stares all around, I guess.

Yes, it was the morning after the Russian invasion. I just wasn't on the internet. Before that moment, Russia was just posturing on the border. This is my point, it's easy to just not know something at any point in time, let alone some things you will only know if you have varying news sources, even if it's many years old. How many of your friends, family and acquaintances know about the civil war in Ukraine for the…

Everyone I know knew, but we live in Europe. Your mileage may vary depending on where you live.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by RobertRoberts »

synu wrote: post #165
RobertRoberts wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it was the morning after the Russian invasion. I just wasn't on the internet. Before that moment, Russia was just posturing on the border. This is my point, it's easy to just not know something at any point in time, let alone some things you will only know if you have varying news sources, even if it's many years old. How many of your friends, family and acquaintances know about the civil war in Ukraine for the…

Everyone I know knew, but we live in Europe. Your mileage may vary depending on where you live.

I live in the US, and so far the only people that knew are the very few news skeptics that follow international news sources online. And even then, we had to share with each other a lot.

But I had watched documentaries about Ukraine years ago, and since most people watch only Fox news, CNN, MSNBC, etc... they knew nothing at all.

So when Russia invaded most people were shocked, where I, and those few others that were information, were not as suprised.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by synu »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #166
synu wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone I know knew, but we live in Europe. Your mileage may vary depending on where you live.

I live in the US, and so far the only people that knew are the very few news skeptics that follow international news sources online. And even then, we had to share with each other a lot. But I had watched documentaries about Ukraine years ago, and since most people watch only Fox news, CNN, MSNBC, etc... they knew nothing at all. So when Russia invaded most people were shocked, where I, and those few others that were…

I don’t think that being aware of the history of the conflict had anything to do with being surprised or not by the invasion. I have family in both Russia and Ukraine and nobody expected it.

Even the Russian soldiers who found themselves being sent into Ukraine were surprised.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by RobertRoberts »

synu wrote: post #167
RobertRoberts wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in the US, and so far the only people that knew are the very few news skeptics that follow international news sources online. And even then, we had to share with each other a lot. But I had watched documentaries about Ukraine years ago, and since most people watch only Fox news, CNN, MSNBC, etc... they knew nothing at all. So when Russia invaded most people were shocked, where I, and those few others that were…

I don’t think that being aware of the history of the conflict had anything to do with being surprised or not by the invasion. I have family in both Russia and Ukraine and nobody expected it. Even the Russian soldiers who found themselves being sent into Ukraine were surprised.

But did they know there was war in Ukraine for years? I suspect this is common knowledge in Europe, but it's extremely rare knowledge here.

Re: NeRF: An eventual successor for deepfakes?

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Post by HyperSane »

synu wrote: post #126
HyperSane wrote: post #116

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The president that lost power in 2014, Viktor Yanukovych, was a Russian puppet who refused to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement in favor of closer ties to Russa. The Ukrainian parliament voted to remove him from office by 328 to 0. He then fled to Russia.

It’s hard to fathom believing there’s nothing new or relevant happening with the 2022 invasion, or why if there was a lead-in to the conflict that would be on its own a reason to conclude that there’s nothing to be done now.

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