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MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by nchuhoai »

j_baker wrote: post #34
nchuhoai wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Move fast, break things. I dont mind it. That's what start ups do. I'm glad that after being a company of that size, sergey and larry still try to operate like a startup

Just because things are breaking doesn't mean google is moving fast and operating like a startup. Big companies that move slowly can also break things. Case in point: Microsoft.

I'm not saying they are but I think they are trying more than say Microsoft.

btw, so random to meet you here jason, its me nam. how have y ou been?

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by metel »

Matt Siegler is simply following the modern trend amongst Apple People in viewing Google negatively. Has Matt posted anything negative about Apple re iCloud? Because I've heard bad things about it from other Applists. In summary: if I want this kind of stuff I'll go to the master: Gruber.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by rrrazdan »

espeed wrote: post #35

Seth Godin warned Google about this 5 years ago... "But I can give you a warning. This is a key moment of the life cycle of the company. As the stakes keep getting higher and higher and the opportunities keep getting bigger and bigger and the number of smart people keeps increasing, so does the competition, so does the stakes, so does the opportunity to pay a $200 fine. And what I want to do today is really place a s…

I hadn't thought about Google in this sense. The way I remember the net is a big bad mess of ugly websites and then Google came along and they changed search. And they changed Email. They changed advertising. Think of how many more ugly flash ads there would have been without Google. And yes that built affection for the brand. Taking risks is awesome. Shipping crappy products not so much.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by myspy »

Some words to the people comparing the GMail app with Ping, MobileMe, Final Cut, Antenna problem, Battery time etc. (and please start to make precise distinctions here, not everything is that bad, like the GMail app).

These are not Apples core products. Apples core product is the hardware and the OS on either platform. Googles core product is creating software.

So it's sad to see, they have no capable software developers knowing how to code for iOS (or willing?). They don't use any native components from iOS, even the navigation bar is a web element, how strange is that?

It's the same with Apple and iTunes for Windows. They take no native elements, because they use some wrapper to get the OS X code to Win. When the rumors are true and only five people do iTunes, then I understand why they do no decent Windows app, but why not get some good Win developers?

Same for Google, why get no decent iOS devs? And the Google+ app is an awful app too. It's such a shitty app, it's sad too.

But after thinking some time about it, I guess, they have no usable APIs for the mail service, so they have to rely on web views.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by iaskwhy »

megablast wrote: post #38
tobtoh wrote: post #6

I found this paragraph to be insightful: "When Jobs took the stage to unveil something, people got excited not just because he was a great showman but because it instilled an underlying belief that what he was going to unveil would be great. You know that whatever it was, he signed off on it. And the vast majority of the time, it was great. That built trust. Faith." I have to agree - whilst Apple had it's stumbles fr…

As a fan of Apple, I see people seeming to forget the antenna issue from the iPhone 4, and the current battery issue with the iphone 4s. The final cut issue of a few months ago, and many, many other missteps. All big companies make mistakes, and i think this entry is singling out Google for some strange reason.

I immediately thought about the first (?) releases Apple did for Windows: iTunes and Safari. Both were really bad but I have never seen software as buggy as that one new release of Safari that would crash if you clicked on any button.

It's basically a matter of how many good releases you do against the bad ones. Google is in bad shape right now but that changes quickly with a good release in the near future. (I'd say the new Gmail theme is a good release.)

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

myspy wrote: post #54

Some words to the people comparing the GMail app with Ping, MobileMe, Final Cut, Antenna problem, Battery time etc. (and please start to make precise distinctions here, not everything is that bad, like the GMail app). These are not Apples core products. Apples core product is the hardware and the OS on either platform. Googles core product is creating software. So it's sad to see, they have no capable software develo…

"Apples core product is the hardware and the OS on either platform."

Okay then, iOS 4 for iPhone 3G.

Checkmate.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by myspy »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #57
myspy wrote: post #54

Some words to the people comparing the GMail app with Ping, MobileMe, Final Cut, Antenna problem, Battery time etc. (and please start to make precise distinctions here, not everything is that bad, like the GMail app). These are not Apples core products. Apples core product is the hardware and the OS on either platform. Googles core product is creating software. So it's sad to see, they have no capable software develo…

"Apples core product is the hardware and the OS on either platform." Okay then, iOS 4 for iPhone 3G. Checkmate.

Actually, no. iOS 4 was designed for the iPhone 4. 3G getting it was bonus, and in the end, they fixed the bugs.

And when you say something like that, how about no Android 2.3+ for the biggest part of Android phones out there?

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by pasbesoin »

Google has jumped the shark. Though it will take a while to sort out, they are bound for one of two destinations: The next MS (IBM, etc.), or death.

When you stop supporting and responding to your most technical users, you divorce yourself from that edge.

And when you ignore and blow off user issues and complaints, you divorce yourself from broader good will.

The Panda exercise was an improvement. Plus was appealing in concept but is failing in execution. (We don't need another Facebook -- especially not the Big Brother aspect.) The rest of recent developments have mostly sucked (where products are not simply languishing).

Google Apps remains somewhat interesting, but it's becoming apparent that you only count if you're the Feds, GM, or similar.

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