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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

parkingrift wrote: post #33
jef_leppard wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO because the christian nationalist wing of the Republican Party needs talking points.

I think this completely ignores the moral issues of later term abortions. I am an atheist, and I am disturbed by the idea of a voluntary abortion after 20 weeks. Voluntary meaning no medical necessity. I think Republicans have latched onto this issue and Christianity in America has adopted it, but there is far more at play here than just Christian nationalism.

Yes, they've taken the extreme view of "aborting a baby right before it's born" which doesn't fit the majority of cases and used it to argue against the norm, but if that were actually the case they would be limiting abortion to "reasonable" limits, not straight up "snitch on your neighbours if you think they've had an abortion" laws.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

parkingrift wrote: post #33
jef_leppard wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO because the christian nationalist wing of the Republican Party needs talking points.

I think this completely ignores the moral issues of later term abortions. I am an atheist, and I am disturbed by the idea of a voluntary abortion after 20 weeks. Voluntary meaning no medical necessity. I think Republicans have latched onto this issue and Christianity in America has adopted it, but there is far more at play here than just Christian nationalism.

What issue? What are the numbers on non medical necessity abortions post 20 weeks?

Why 20 weeks? Are the voting populace or politicians knowledgeable enough about pregnancy to be able to legislate these things without exposing doctors and women to unnecessary legal risk? And again, back to the numbers, does the is even need legislating? Are women or doctors haphazardly running around killing perfectly viable fetuses for fun?

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Post by jonhohle »

JTbane wrote: post #26

I find it disgusting that any place that purports to be an "abortion clinic" has nothing to do with medicine, and is actually a thinly veiled evangelical NGO that pressures young women to have children.

They certainly do not purport to be an abortion clinic. They are a crisis pregnancy clinic. They give advice, support, and resources to mothers.

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Post by Retric »

ghufran_syed wrote: post #39
lotsofpulp wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There certainly is logic to guaranteeing women healthcare (abortion choice) during their pregnancy.

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So might unfertilized eggs. Except anthropomorphism results in meaningless arguments, extremely simple creatures don’t have such complex wants.

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Post by vardump »

parkingrift wrote: post #33
jef_leppard wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO because the christian nationalist wing of the Republican Party needs talking points.

I think this completely ignores the moral issues of later term abortions. I am an atheist, and I am disturbed by the idea of a voluntary abortion after 20 weeks. Voluntary meaning no medical necessity. I think Republicans have latched onto this issue and Christianity in America has adopted it, but there is far more at play here than just Christian nationalism.

I'm pro-choice. That said, after 20 weeks one really needs to consider that the fetus can feel pain.

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Post by somehnguy »

rayiner wrote: post #32
beardyw wrote: post #12

I find this whole thing so puzzling. In the UK, not so different from the USA, this is not really a thing at all. Even amongst Christians I have never heard it brought up. Is it a political thing, and if so how did it become so?

It’s because the Supreme Court has imposed for 50 years an extremely liberal abortion regime on an extremely conservative country. Roe guarantees elective abortions up to viability, which is around 22-24 weeks. But by 13-14 weeks, the fetus looks like a baby—it has hands and feet and a face. It can suck its thumb and kick. Most of Europe draws a line for elective abortions (absent exceptions) around that timeframe: h…

Sounds like nonsense. Can you explain how it was ‘imposing a regime’, when nobody was forced to do anything? If you didn’t want an abortion you just…didn’t have one.

Kinda sounds like religious people are the ones actually trying to impose a regime to me. Because I couldn’t possibly care less what anyones preferred god thinks, yet religious beliefs are being used to drive political changes that affect everyone.

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Post by xutopia »

Does anyone actually address how religion is a big factor at play here? It's skipped over every time but this is very much a religious war happening here. The Catholics in the Supreme Court are overturning human rights because it goes against the recent dogmas their faith prescribed them to believe.

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Post by antifa »

luxuryballs wrote: post #30
bbarn wrote: post #4

A former girlfriend of mine went to what she thought was a clinic, and was effectively scared out of having one, and had twins at 18. These scummy tactics work, or people wouldn't do them.

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> who are now likely very glad they were born

Have you talked to young people? Stats and meme culture strongly suggest the opposite, and it's for economic reasons and reasons like loss of personal freedoms such as "women's bodily autonomy".

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Post by the_only_law »

bbarn wrote: post #4

A former girlfriend of mine went to what she thought was a clinic, and was effectively scared out of having one, and had twins at 18. These scummy tactics work, or people wouldn't do them.

I have a family member that was sent to one of these in the 90s. She's a hardline pro-lifer, but described it as mostly verbal and emotional abuse.
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