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Post by heretogetout »

beardyw wrote: post #12

I find this whole thing so puzzling. In the UK, not so different from the USA, this is not really a thing at all. Even amongst Christians I have never heard it brought up. Is it a political thing, and if so how did it become so?

It's a wedge issue where neither side will give any ground, which makes it exploitable. If you figure out a way to tie a wedge issue to the rest of your political platform you're virtually guaranteed support from one side or another. IMO one side has been much, much better at exploiting this fact and has has achieved great power despite representing less than a plurality of voters.

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Post by atwood22 »

heretogetout wrote: post #21
beardyw wrote: post #12

I find this whole thing so puzzling. In the UK, not so different from the USA, this is not really a thing at all. Even amongst Christians I have never heard it brought up. Is it a political thing, and if so how did it become so?

It's a wedge issue where neither side will give any ground, which makes it exploitable. If you figure out a way to tie a wedge issue to the rest of your political platform you're virtually guaranteed support from one side or another. IMO one side has been much, much better at exploiting this fact and has has achieved great power despite representing less than a plurality of voters.

Your answer begs the question. Yes, abortion is a wedge issue, but why is it a wedge issue? Why are people against abortions in the US when most people aren’t against abortion access in other countries.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

oneplane wrote: post #15
beardyw wrote: post #12

I find this whole thing so puzzling. In the UK, not so different from the USA, this is not really a thing at all. Even amongst Christians I have never heard it brought up. Is it a political thing, and if so how did it become so?

It's just tacked on to identity politics. It doesn't really matter what the issue at hand is, only what stance is taken with the group the people identify with. There is no logic on the issue itself at all, trying to find any logic will only result in conflicting results. (i.e. being against governmental influence, but wanting the government to control people's bodies; or having death penalties and weekly school shoo…

There certainly is logic to guaranteeing women healthcare (abortion choice) during their pregnancy.

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Post by Volker_W »

NoraCodes wrote: post #11
mikece wrote: post #10

I suspect this story will be Cambridge Analytica 2.0: making use of the tools sold by big tech to achieve an ideological end. (Isn't everyone doing this?)

Are you asking, "aren't left-wing groups saving the information of right-wingers to the later deploy state power against them after changing relevant laws", or "doesn't every ideological group occasionally dox it's opponents"? I think those are different questions.

Ever heard of hate-speech laws? To be fair, your question would need reordering:

Aren't left-wing groups changing relevant laws, then saving the information of right-wingers, then deploying state power against them?

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Post by shagie »

beardyw wrote: post #12

I find this whole thing so puzzling. In the UK, not so different from the USA, this is not really a thing at all. Even amongst Christians I have never heard it brought up. Is it a political thing, and if so how did it become so?

NPR has a number of articles on it that are a good read / listen to get a larger perspective and its history in the US.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/04/1096154028/the-movement-again...

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/06/1103372543/abortion-was-once-...

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/22/1106863232/evangelicals-didnt...

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