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Flowers for Algernon (1965) [pdf]

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> That's the problem with any superintelligence story; they are by definition hard to write without being superintelligent. Ditto this, but for any domain specialization. A lot of fiction gives me a bad case of something which I don't have a term for but it seems like it might be the inverse of the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect: Basically, I was fine with the story until it got technical in a way that I know well, and the…

In 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea, there's a chapter where a bunch of figures about the submarine are given. I played around with the math, and discovered that the figures were accurate. Cool!

Probably not surprising at all, but my brother once ran the numbers on how much energy it would take to "fire a pound of bacon into the asteroid belt", and I don't remember the exact number but it was roughly comparable to the capacity of modern EV batteries -- a few tens of kwh.

Of course Stephenson figured out how much battery a useful EV would need, before concocting a throwaway line about it. In 1992.

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thanks for the reply, let me try and rephrase some of what you are saying to check my understanding set of strings is countably infinite so my "supra mathematical entity" is boring because for any given problem we could pose it can just function as a lookup table even if you made an alphabet (strings whose characters had decimal places or something) that was bigger, then it would still be kinda boring cuz the hyper h…

> even if you made an alphabet (strings whose characters had decimal places or something) that was bigger, then it would still be kinda boring cuz the hyper hyper turing machine would still be a lookup table (though maybe even the machine in my example could still just be a lookup table for an uncountably large language on account of having uncountably many tapes/heads). That's pretty much what I wanted to mean. Alth…

i had some more crackpot thoughts if you don't mind hearing them lol

the set of all strings is countably infinite like the natural numbers

however human language when actually spoken can contain recursive implicit meanings and subtext, so maybe even though it's just strings, if you made the implicit context explicit it would be uncountably infinite, much like the real numbers, even though in practice the meaning a human can grok from any given sentence is bounded like a ieee floating point number.

but i find it somewhat interesting that whereas all ieee floats have a certain amount of meaning they can carry around/a set amount of decimal places, the way we encode implicit meanings and tones into language is uneven, it's not character by character (but it can be if you add an accent or tone to a character even in non tonal languages),

like, what if you could design a number system more like human language where the decimal places somehow only showed up under certain conditions (maybe you could argue complex numbers are kinda like that, since the imaginary or real parts will appear and re apper under certain operations)

could you design a number system or an algebra in such a way that it was up for interpretation lol (or if not why not)

one thing is that you can interpret numbers in terms of geometry, but the interpretation is one to one, and thus boring compared to the interpretability of strings.

also maybe lambda calculus is somewhat interpretable in this way, and it can encode numbers and algebraic rules

maybe logical conclusion of this train of thought is the IO monad XD

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That's the problem with any superintelligence story; they are by definition hard to write without being superintelligent. As Vinge was famously told, "you can't write this story. No one can." If a chimpanzee could write a story about a human expert of any sort, the other chimpanzees wouldn't understand it: it would either be gibberish, or dumbed down to superficial analogies that give an illusion of understanding. ("…

"the other chimpanzees wouldn't understand it: it would either be gibberish, or dumbed down" This is kind of how "Excession" by Iain M Banks is. Much of the dialogue in the book is supposed to be between the hyperintelligent AI "Minds" that are the ships in his Culture universe. It's supposed to be in a form similar to how they talk to each other. It's quite hard to read. I can never decide which of the two (gibberis…

The inevitable Arthur C Clarke paraphrase: "Any sufficiently advanced conversation is indistinguishable from gibberish."

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That's kind, thank you. I'm sorry for your friend. I hope you did cope with the trauma somehow.

I'm glad you thought it was kind, I try to be when I can. We were in single digits, agewise. Appalachian youths, forever at risk, but this was before the internet became what it is now. At first I coped by trying to get people to opt in to organ donation, because he had been waiting for a liver. Then later I tried to get people registered to vote, so we could change the system that traumatized us. And finally, after…

There is no way you will change the system other than to revoke it the way the current woke generation is trying to do. Revocation hurts others and makes this approach anathema to them.

What eventuates is hate, mistrust, opportunism and fear. Eventually the united states will fail because of magnified personal injury delivered to agenda that does not meet the test of improvement for everyone. Because we are short sighted, intolerant and arrogant. Like you.

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That's wild because it's my exact opposite take. I found it to be one of the most thoughtful explorations of super-intelligence and how it becomes qualitatively different than conventional intelligence. I came away from it thinking, "This is Limitless if it were written by a grownup"

Exactly how I felt. It explores what motivations of a super-intelligence might be in a way that I hadn't seen before. I understand the commenter's sentiment though--it's difficult to read an earnest story about a super intelligent trans-human because the archetype of "cool and collected super genius" has been done to death and has become cringeworthy.

I want to avoid spoilers... but my favourite element was the inevitability of certain individuals being made aware of each other.

At a certain scale I believe one exerts a "gravitational" influence, and this book explored that neatly

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