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Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by Kylekramer »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #26
Kylekramer wrote: post #17

We don't need more Apples. There is one right now, doing very well at being Apple. Google could take some cues from Apple, sure, but there is more than one way to skin a cat. The fact that MG thinks Android sucking at first and slowly iterating to a solid product is a negative is mind boggling. That is great! We are talking about a search company that in the span of few years became the dominant player in mobile oper…

There is a VAST difference between launching something simple and functional and then iterating to a solid, polished product, and launching something that sucks / is simply broken, and hoping people put up with it until you can get it right. Apple does the former; features for v1 of their products are almost always quite limited, but what is there is polished. Increasingly, Google seems to do the latter. It's not min…

You are honestly claiming Google products haven't been viable or working? That seems like quite the stretch.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by rkudeshi »

tobtoh wrote: post #13
Yhippa wrote: post #8

Did I miss something? Sounds like he got burned on a scoop. Did Google do anything bad to him? "MG: show me on this doll where Google touched you." If the application is that bad at least they retracted it. I don't know how much financial loss or other damage it did to the people who downloaded it. It probably doesn't help the overall perception of Google but I view it differently. I really appreciate their test-and-…

> I really appreciate their test-and-learn style of product releases. I do to - but don't you feel that lately they are just releasing far too early? Take the Gmail redesign - opened up to beta, they took onboard the early feedback about too much whitespace and when the fully released the new design, we had a 'compact' option - to me, that is test and learn style done well. But take the Gmail app - released into prod…

FWIW, I believe the 'compact' option was available even when they first announced the new design.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by [deleted] »

tobtoh wrote: post #13
Yhippa wrote: post #8

Did I miss something? Sounds like he got burned on a scoop. Did Google do anything bad to him? "MG: show me on this doll where Google touched you." If the application is that bad at least they retracted it. I don't know how much financial loss or other damage it did to the people who downloaded it. It probably doesn't help the overall perception of Google but I view it differently. I really appreciate their test-and-…

> I really appreciate their test-and-learn style of product releases. I do to - but don't you feel that lately they are just releasing far too early? Take the Gmail redesign - opened up to beta, they took onboard the early feedback about too much whitespace and when the fully released the new design, we had a 'compact' option - to me, that is test and learn style done well. But take the Gmail app - released into prod…

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Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by j_baker »

nchuhoai wrote: post #29
tobtoh wrote: post #6

I found this paragraph to be insightful: "When Jobs took the stage to unveil something, people got excited not just because he was a great showman but because it instilled an underlying belief that what he was going to unveil would be great. You know that whatever it was, he signed off on it. And the vast majority of the time, it was great. That built trust. Faith." I have to agree - whilst Apple had it's stumbles fr…

Move fast, break things. I dont mind it. That's what start ups do. I'm glad that after being a company of that size, sergey and larry still try to operate like a startup

Just because things are breaking doesn't mean google is moving fast and operating like a startup. Big companies that move slowly can also break things. Case in point: Microsoft.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by espeed »

Seth Godin warned Google about this 5 years ago...

"But I can give you a warning. This is a key moment of the life cycle of the company. As the stakes keep getting higher and higher and the opportunities keep getting bigger and bigger and the number of smart people keeps increasing, so does the competition, so does the stakes, so does the opportunity to pay a $200 fine. And what I want to do today is really place a steak in the ground about a key conceptual underpinning that I want to sell you on and then try to outline why I think Google has succeeded to date and how repeating that could really help you moving forward.

People care about Google. What happened is you made an audacious promise to people. You changed the way the interacted all day long when they are supposed to be working, all day long when they are surfing, you changed their interaction. And that interaction made them care about your brand. And that means you have a platform to do some spectacular things. But if you blow it just a few times in a row they won't care about your brand any more."

Google Tech Talk: "All Marketers Are Liars" (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6909078385965257294)

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by ookblah »

Kylekramer wrote: post #17

We don't need more Apples. There is one right now, doing very well at being Apple. Google could take some cues from Apple, sure, but there is more than one way to skin a cat. The fact that MG thinks Android sucking at first and slowly iterating to a solid product is a negative is mind boggling. That is great! We are talking about a search company that in the span of few years became the dominant player in mobile oper…

I feel like you can only get away with a less than subpar "MVP" if you're:

1)entering new territory and people forgive the mistakes until you fix them.

2) you are a small operation and people will forgive the mistakes until you fix them.

Google is neither. We've come to expect a minimum level of polish from anything released from them.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by angryasian »

idle_processor wrote: post #11

It feels like the author is giving Apple an undue free pass. He mentions Microsoft and Yahoo as other companies who've failed him with bad releases, and the subtext seems to be that Apple hasn't done significant wrong. To do so conveniently ignores how bad Windows versions of QuickTime, Safari, and iTunes have been at early stages.

agree, also antennagate, 4S battery failures admitted to be a bug, tinted yellow screens on different apple products. All companies have their share of bumpy releases.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by megablast »

tobtoh wrote: post #6

I found this paragraph to be insightful: "When Jobs took the stage to unveil something, people got excited not just because he was a great showman but because it instilled an underlying belief that what he was going to unveil would be great. You know that whatever it was, he signed off on it. And the vast majority of the time, it was great. That built trust. Faith." I have to agree - whilst Apple had it's stumbles fr…

As a fan of Apple, I see people seeming to forget the antenna issue from the iPhone 4, and the current battery issue with the iphone 4s. The final cut issue of a few months ago, and many, many other missteps. All big companies make mistakes, and i think this entry is singling out Google for some strange reason.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by ootachi »

idle_processor wrote: post #11

It feels like the author is giving Apple an undue free pass. He mentions Microsoft and Yahoo as other companies who've failed him with bad releases, and the subtext seems to be that Apple hasn't done significant wrong. To do so conveniently ignores how bad Windows versions of QuickTime, Safari, and iTunes have been at early stages.

Don't forget MobileMe, Ping, and Final Cut Pro X. Even OS X Lion, to some extent (Mission Control). All of these happened under Jobs' watch.

Re: MG Siegler: Faith No More

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Post by ceejayoz »

Kylekramer wrote: post #31
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a VAST difference between launching something simple and functional and then iterating to a solid, polished product, and launching something that sucks / is simply broken, and hoping people put up with it until you can get it right. Apple does the former; features for v1 of their products are almost always quite limited, but what is there is polished. Increasingly, Google seems to do the latter. It's not min…

You are honestly claiming Google products haven't been viable or working? That seems like quite the stretch.

A modal error being the very first thing every new user sees is pretty hard to excuse even for a MVP.
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