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Flu vaccination linked to 40% reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease

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Re: Flu vaccination linked to 40% reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease

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Great news ! It’s good to know that flu vaccination has two benefits

Correlation is not causation. Ice cream sales don’t cause drowning.

> Correlation is not causation

No, but correlation isn't meaningless either. This study [1] appears to be as robust as one can get without doing a double-blind trial. Given the effect size, I suspect that is in the works.

[1] https://content.iospress.com/articles/journal-of-alzheimers-...

Re: Flu vaccination linked to 40% reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease

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People who get yearly flu vaccines probably go to the doctor more regularly than those who do not. I would expect that people who more regularly go to the doctor are also more concerned about their health. I'd expect people who are concerned with their health to behave in ways that limit disease. Without a proposed method of action, I suspect this is just noise.

Otoh, people who visit the doctor regularly are more likely to be diagnosed

Re: Flu vaccination linked to 40% reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease

#13

Never gotten the flu vaccine before. Biggest fear in life is alzheimers. Guess I will get the flu vaccine annually going forward.

The also allude to “other vaccines” in this article. Googled it and they mean the pneumococcal vaccines also gave a protective effect. So maybe get those. If you just tell your doctor you’re an alcoholic they’ll give it to you.

Re: Flu vaccination linked to 40% reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease

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This article has very few details and is rather questionable, at best. Correlation does not imply causation. It could very well be that people who choose to get flu vaccines are more health-conscious and live a healthier lifestyle so they are less likely to get Alzheimers.

It links to the actual paper if you are interested, the paper has a whole table of covariates it took into consideration. https://content.iospress.com/articles/journal-of-alzheimers-...

I don't think the paper or the journal article suggested it was causal either. But such a correlation with such a large population warrants publication and further research into causation.

You unfortunately chose literally the first thing that any epidemiologist would consider, which is considering potential confounders. Maybe read up a bit before commenting.

Re: Flu vaccination linked to 40% reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease

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This article has very few details and is rather questionable, at best. Correlation does not imply causation. It could very well be that people who choose to get flu vaccines are more health-conscious and live a healthier lifestyle so they are less likely to get Alzheimers.

The 3rd paragraph links to the publication that this article is a brief summary of. They controlled for many lifestyle factors in their research.

https://content.iospress.com/articles/journal-of-alzheimers-...

Re: Flu vaccination linked to 40% reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease

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People who get yearly flu vaccines probably go to the doctor more regularly than those who do not. I would expect that people who more regularly go to the doctor are also more concerned about their health. I'd expect people who are concerned with their health to behave in ways that limit disease. Without a proposed method of action, I suspect this is just noise.

Even simpler. Annual flu shots require a decent degree of executive functioning. People with early stage neurological decline are less likely to make or keep their appointment

Re: Flu vaccination linked to 40% reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease

#17
The correlation is probably loosely causative based on other research pointing to certain infections preceding a descent into Alzheimer's or Dementia.

Related (not exhaustive. The infectious theory is rapidly gaining ground especially in light of anti-beta-amyloid drugs repeatedly failing in clinical trials):

* HSV/Alzheimer's: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8234998/

* HSV/Alzheimer's: https://content.iospress.com/articles/journal-of-alzheimers-...

* HSV/Alzheimer's: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29488144/ (current independent phase 2 trial to reproduce outcomes: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03282916)

* Gingivitis/Alzheimer's: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32280099/

* Immunological role of Beta-Amyloid: https://alz-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.100...

Re: Flu vaccination linked to 40% reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease

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People who get yearly flu vaccines probably go to the doctor more regularly than those who do not. I would expect that people who more regularly go to the doctor are also more concerned about their health. I'd expect people who are concerned with their health to behave in ways that limit disease. Without a proposed method of action, I suspect this is just noise.

There’s a section in https://content.iospress.com/articles/journal-of-alzheimers-... called Hypothesized Mechanism(s), which contains (amongst supporting details) the following:

> 1) influenza-specific mechanisms, including mitigation of damage secondary to influenza infection and/or epitopic similarity between influenza proteins and AD pathology; 2) non–influenza-specific training of the innate immune system; and 3) non–influenza-specific changes in adaptive immunity via lymphocyte-mediated cross-reactivity.

Re: Flu vaccination linked to 40% reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease

#19

Great news ! It’s good to know that flu vaccination has two benefits

Correlation is not causation. Ice cream sales don’t cause drowning.

Correlation is sufficient to draw additional studies to add to the discussion however.

And with a proper survey, you can actually account for a lot of these effects. (Ex: after accounting for outdoor temperatures, the Ice Cream Sales / Drowning correlation can be largely factored out).

Re: Flu vaccination linked to 40% reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease

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At some point we (researchers & scientists) should draw the line between correlation & causation.

That there is 40% less incidence in flu vaccinated patients is established by observation, but is it due to flu vaccine by itself or factors which surrounds itself in people more prone to flu or who are medically more conscious? (edit: think of analysis of variance tests among identifiable medical & socioeconomic variables). If the researchers establish a positive link, wouldn't it be worthwhile to then suppose that amyloid plaques are somehow related to viral influenza replication - which by itself sounds a bit absurd (edit: Ok lot of good reference about infections around AD. I take this back, my bad)

The alternative hypothesis is worth thinking too: Are people more prone to Alzheimer's also more prone to catching flu.

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