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Three Arrows Capital has defaulted on a loan worth more than $670M

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In the smallest version of this... My weekly poker group talks about stocks and crypto often. It's a mix of guys who work in tech and engineering and a handful who just want to get rich quick. We've all bought a few yolo stocks and coins together and 100% of the time the investments have gone to zero or close to it. Thankfully no one in the group is dumb enough to go all in on this hyper risky investments but I can s…

The danger is when they don't go to zero, and you suddenly thing you're stock picking geniuses - or you then decide to put it all in on the next one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beardstown_Ladies

A common strategy for binary auction scams is to rig the market in your favor so that you think your a genius and then you go all in. Then they rig the market against you or simply block withdrawals.

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I really don’t understand the business model of making massive fiat loans to “firms” to buy bitcoin. If crypto goes up, you get a small amount of interest. If crypto goes down, you lose everything. What? Lol. Just spend a fraction of the sum on bitcoin and do something safe with the rest. What was the plan? Edit: I guess when someone has “20 billion dollars” a 700mm loan doesn’t seem like a big risk.

The people making the loans are also speculating on crypto with other funds. The loans exist to pump the price up by fooling "technical" traders. It's market manipulation.

I think using the word 'traders' for these scammers is generous.

Should reddit be allowed to present financial advice via their forum.

That to me is a problem. Free Speech or financial system rules.

People can say things on a forum with no repercussions. True or not.

AMC is a shit stock now and it was 5 years ago. Gamestock too.

Elon Musk says one thing wrong and is attacked by SEC. Not fair at all.

Crypto should have been snuffed out by regulation many years ago.

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> They have a hate symbol on their site, LOL. Care to elaborate? I see one graphic on the 3ac website, and it's not one I'm familiar with so I assume it's a corp logo?

I think the GP is claiming that the 3AC logo is a reference to the Three Arrows[1] logo, which was used by the SPD in Weimar Germany and by some flavors of contemporary anarchists. But I can't find any evidence that it's an intended reference, and they look pretty different to me (different colors and directions; the only similarity is that they both happen to have arrows). [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Ar…

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It is probably true that 99.9% of people with crypto use it as a speculative investment. The remaining 0.1% true crypto idealist may exist, but I have never met one. So it makes the previous statement very much mostly true. This type of disingenuous argument is why some of us rejoice at the crypto meltdown.

Pleased to meet you jpambrun! I am one of those 0.1% idealists.

As am I!

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> As of Friday, Voyager said it had approximately $137 million in U.S. dollars and owned crypto assets. > Last week, Alameda (FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried’s quantitative trading firm) committed $500 million in financing to Voyager Digital, a crypto brokerage. Voyager has already pulled $75 million from that line of credit. Am I misunderstanding something, or: what kind of mismanagement could possibly lead to loans b…

Those crypto assets might have been worth a lot more when the deal was made. And the interest rate is probably pretty high.

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You can borrow btc then use that btc to take 5x leveraged positions on btc. If number go up, you make billions. If number go down 20% you default on loan. Absolute scumbag behaviour of course.

I guess that makes more sense. But then you're only 4x exposed to BTC (god help you). Why not borrow USD and do the same and get 5x leverage What's that thing about if you owe the bank 10k you're in trouble, but if you owe them 10m they're in trouble? :)

Because BTC kept going up fast, and your 4X BTC bet meant you got keep borrowing more to plow back into BTC.

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I think it’s a strange part of human psychology to ignore objective reality and double down to complete ruin. It seems remarkably common and with corporate power being so concentrated at the top it seems rather easy for these situations to happen.

Yes, it’s the throwing good money after bad problem. I think there’s a real name for it, “sunk cost” fallacy maybe?

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This isn't necessarily true. A lot of people have held crypto since you could purchase it for single digit American dollars because they believe in the fundamental tenants of crypto - permissionless world financial exchange where the levers and dials of the economic systems are not controlled by world governments.

It is probably true that 99.9% of people with crypto use it as a speculative investment. The remaining 0.1% true crypto idealist may exist, but I have never met one. So it makes the previous statement very much mostly true. This type of disingenuous argument is why some of us rejoice at the crypto meltdown.

Most people in crypto I know like crypto and the cool tech it is developing, and also want to make money. What is wrong with that?

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Why would u enjoy people losing their life savings? Just because they told you to have fun staying poor on the way up?

Because you’d have to be a real dumbass to actually put your life savings in crypto. When I first bought crypto, I put in just enough that if I were to lose it all, it would mean one vacation less and a fewer more meals at home for a few months. The returns are absurd enough that a $10k investment can be life changing. Anything beyond that is just greed and stupidity.

>Because you’d have to be a real dumbass to actually put your life savings in crypto.

Not all the scams are that obvious. Once a company has a lot of money, it is assumed they have some stability. Celebrity endorsements don't hurt either. There were even stadiums named for the stuff. And Stablegains said in large print that the investments were diversified while the small print said they were putting everything into Luna and would diversify later.

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Any news on Evergrande? I thought the world was supposed to go under last year ...

The thing about that is the Chinese government can just declare it’s no longer a problem and then it’s no longer a problem. Just like they can solve Covid outbreaks through starvation, separated families, and doors welded shut. When you’re free from morality or repercussions then all problems are easily solvable.
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