Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal

Post by ppod » Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 5:22 PM UTC

elicash wrote: post #139

ppod wrote: post #130

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Because it's vague and hearsay. The most frustrating thing about these debates is that the pro-union side are so hostile to anyone who questions anything, as though they assume that anyone who doubts the union must be a business owner. I'm a worker, I would like to be part of a union that worked. But I don't see unions that work, I just see unreasonable and propaganda-like articles like these. When there is a dispute…

You can be anti-union, that's fine. It's even legit to be pro-union but to say that for you personally, you're such an amazing performer that employers are fighting over you and so maybe the union is good for most but not you personally. For example, maybe NBA players would make much less without the union but LeBron personally would make more. Maybe you're the LeBron of developers! (There's no debate on whether barg…

Post by kelseyfrog » Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 5:35 PM UTC

missedthecue wrote: post #237

kelseyfrog wrote: post #230

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That's so interesting. Most people tend to call that a monopoly and use the word union for something else. What made you choose to use union for this behavior instead?

Well unions really only work well when they have a monopoly. If a plant want's to go on strike over something, but that means only 10% of the workforce is walking off, that's not as effective as if the union was in a monopoly position. In fact this is why the Clayton Act specifically exempts unions from anti-trust law, and it's why "Right to work" laws are so controversial - they reduce the monopoly status of the uni…

Post by missedthecue » Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 5:37 PM UTC

kyleplum wrote: post #240

missedthecue wrote: post #238

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OPEC is made up of oil producing countries and their combined output. They are extremely similar except that one deals in labor, and the other in petrochemicals.

One is big enough to influence the global market price for it's product, the other is small and localized and has effectively no influence on the going market rate for it's product.

Post by sershe » Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 5:48 PM UTC

dools wrote: post #34

Unions and vaccines are similar in that they are a collective action against which people only complain due to their effectiveness. That is to say, all the libertarians complaining about unions and vaccines can do so comfortably only because they have never been exposed to the horrors they helped to prevent .

Post by Apocryphon » Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 6:10 PM UTC

bombcar wrote: post #181

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Which is something I've heard for the first time in this thread. I understand it's true, but isn't it a bit of a legal formality? When you go thru Mexican customs, it says Mexico, not Estados Unidos Mexicanos or United Mexican States (from the North). The passport says Mexico in bold on top and the full formal name on the crest. The U.N. seat's plate says Mexico. Americans tend to even abbreviate their country to the…

They don't, partially because "that name" is already taken by the so-called America. Arguably their name translates as "United Mexican States" whereas the USA has "of America" in it, nobody calls it the "United American States". My petition to rename the USA to solve this by labeling everything MURICA has stalled in committee it seems.