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Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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Re: Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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For some hard data, in San Francisco and NYC, the mass transit agencies are starting to plan for never getting back to full ridership again. And by plan, I mean starting to ask for federal funding to keep the systems alive (which I think they should) because the fare revenue is never going to return to pre-pandemic levels but the physical plant remains just as expensive to operate. Keep in mind: these are two of the…

Boston too is switching some lines permanently onto weekend schedules with less frequent trains

Red, Orange, and Blue apparently. https://www.wbur.org/news/2022/06/17/mbta-to-cut-weekday-tra...

Anecdotally, I've gone into Boston a few times this year. My observation when I've driven in was that rush hour traffic was as bad as ever. But both the commuter rail and the subway were significantly less crowded than I would have expected.

Of course, schedule cutbacks make public transit less appealing. The commuter rail I usually take if going in for a weekday cut all the express trains and seemingly spaced the trains generally in a less commuter-centric schedule so it's less attractive than it used to be at the margins.

Re: Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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I don't know if this answers your question, but my employer (engineering firm) just announced last Friday that starting July 5th being in the office Tue-Thu is mandatory. Then Sept 5th Mon-Fri is mandatory. Pre-covid there were very very few remote positions at my employer, we are going back to that I guess. I've been going in Mon-Fri anyways, so it doesn't really effect me.

My employer just announced last Friday that starting July 5th being in the office Tue-Thu is mandatory. Then you need to remind your employer that your presence on the team is not "mandatory", but rather optional. In the form of the 2-week notice you give once you have found a much better job that also respects your health and sanity.

I think you missed the part where the parent said that they were going into the office _by choice_ every day anyway. You are demanding that they quit just because the company doesn't make it optional?

There seems to be a hard-core "WFH or nothing" contingent here that refuse to acknowledge that a great many people prefer and even thrive working in a typical office environment.

Re: Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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My guess is that the current market conditions will accelerate the market toward whatever the new normal will be. Companies that hated having to give into demands for remote work will use this as leverage to get people back into the office. Companies that were going to look at remote work as a way to save costs (either by hiring from cheaper regions, saving on real estate costs, or both) will be pushed into those dec…

> decrease worker efficiency by encouraging repeated Covid exposure leading to both more short term leave due to sick employees and less effective employees in the long run due to long Covid PSA: this is wild speculation. There's no definition of what "long covid" is, and there's certainly no evidence that it is made worse by getting Covid more than once. If anything, the opposite is true: we know that repeat infecti…

https://www.transtats.bts.gov/homedrillchart.asp 59,033 and 34,793 flights cancelled in 2019 and 2018 respectively according to the US department of transporation.

In 2022, we're already at 76,776 flights cancelled and not even halfway through the year, so nearly the amount cancelled in 2018 and 2019 combined. I'm curious if there's anything different that's happening this year vs those other two that would account for such a stark increase in cancelled flights, likely due to an impacted labor force. Probably just people out with colds.

Re: Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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This doesn't quite answer your trend, but personal anecdote: I recently switched jobs, and as part of my job interview process, I was pretty firm about only looking for companies that were working at least part of the week in the office. I just really thrive on in-person work. Fast forward a few weeks... and I ended up taking a job with a startup that was fully remote. I loved their product, loved the founders, loved…

I'm happy for you! Out of curiosity, did your current housing situation provide the space for a comfortable and productive home office, or is this unexpected development putting pressure on your housing situation? (If you're part of a trend, that has implications for preferred housing layout and square footage. And, of course people in different housing situations should be expected to respond differently to fully-re…

I've worked remote for a long time. It's very common to see people working from their home bedrooms.

First-time remote workers will often overthink their office, but seasoned remote workers don't really care. It's worth taking a minute to tidy up the room in your background, but nobody is going to be judging you for not having a dedicated home office.

> I'm also a manager. My workspace needs for desk layout, equipment, and quiet are minimal compared to individual contributors

At least in software, the space needs for everyone are fairly minimal. There are some creative solutions for monitor arms that can reduce the not-in-use footprint of a desk even further.

Re: Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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Personally I never use easy apply or go through websites, I always talk to a recruiter on LinkedIn. Usually I'll get 1-2 messages per week from recruiters about a position, I'll politely decline but tell them I would like to keep in touch. Whenever I go looking for another gig, all those recruiters are hit up. IMO, having a recruiter helps you cut through a ton of BS like filling out job applications, recruiter takes…

Man, I ignore all the recruiters that contact me. It's just too many. Not humble bragging, it's just the reality. And not trying to rude. I have trouble keeping up with my personal emails, much less random recruiters on the internet. I hope it doesn't come back to bite me. So far in my career (10+ years), I've just applied to company job postings and that's worked out pretty well for me.

Recruiters probably won't hold a grudge against you if you're a highly skilled engineer that they know they can place easily. Fortunately for us there's just not enough skilled engineers for recruiters to be too picky. That said, I personally try to keep good relationships with recruiters because as a contractor because it can be useful when looking for my next job.

If you're a junior dev or working in a highly competitive industry though I would be much more careful not to upset recruiters too much. Not that you won't be able to get work, but you'll be making things considerably harder for yourself.

Recruiters don't expect you to reply to their emails btw - unless you're interested in the role they're recruiting for of course. I think it's polite to answer the phone if they call though. Normally it takes about 30 seconds to tell them you're not on the market, but will but will be in touch when you are. I think a lot of people can be quite rude to recruiters and they seem to appreciate the fact I'm polite to them and happy to have a quick chat.

Re: Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I never use easy apply or go through websites, I always talk to a recruiter on LinkedIn. Usually I'll get 1-2 messages per week from recruiters about a position, I'll politely decline but tell them I would like to keep in touch. Whenever I go looking for another gig, all those recruiters are hit up. IMO, having a recruiter helps you cut through a ton of BS like filling out job applications, recruiter takes…

How do you go looking for recruiters?

Just make a LinkedIn profile and you'll start getting job adverts from recruiters. Not always relevant but they often are.

Re: Ask HN: How is the remote vs in-person trend looking?

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post #18

This doesn't quite answer your trend, but personal anecdote: I recently switched jobs, and as part of my job interview process, I was pretty firm about only looking for companies that were working at least part of the week in the office. I just really thrive on in-person work. Fast forward a few weeks... and I ended up taking a job with a startup that was fully remote. I loved their product, loved the founders, loved…

I'm happy for you! Out of curiosity, did your current housing situation provide the space for a comfortable and productive home office, or is this unexpected development putting pressure on your housing situation? (If you're part of a trend, that has implications for preferred housing layout and square footage. And, of course people in different housing situations should be expected to respond differently to fully-re…

> perceived status implications when my humble abode appears

I would rather focus on the quality of someone's work than "status".

Also, you can't find a "neutral" wall or window in 600sq?!

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