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Three Arrows Capital has defaulted on a loan worth more than $670M

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Re: Three Arrows Capital has defaulted on a loan worth more than $670M

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I always have mixed feelings when someone is warned about the riskiness / foolishness / stupidity of a course of action, and then suffers for it. On the one hand, there's a certain satisfaction or Schadenfreude in the sense of vindication. And it's pleasant to feel like my own wisdom or self-control has been validated. OTOH, I know that everyone has limited wisdom / self-control / intelligence, including me. So it se…

This is why the industry is functionally begging for government regulation

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I really don’t understand the business model of making massive fiat loans to “firms” to buy bitcoin. If crypto goes up, you get a small amount of interest. If crypto goes down, you lose everything. What? Lol. Just spend a fraction of the sum on bitcoin and do something safe with the rest. What was the plan? Edit: I guess when someone has “20 billion dollars” a 700mm loan doesn’t seem like a big risk.

It's called picking up pennies in front of a steam roller.

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> As of Friday, Voyager said it had approximately $137 million in U.S. dollars and owned crypto assets. > Last week, Alameda (FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried’s quantitative trading firm) committed $500 million in financing to Voyager Digital, a crypto brokerage. Voyager has already pulled $75 million from that line of credit. Am I misunderstanding something, or: what kind of mismanagement could possibly lead to loans b…

My understanding is that FTX probably holds a ton of cryptocurrency assets or is invested in other companies with cryptocurrency exposure and does not want a 'contagion' to spread. This might work, but I am not sure FTX has enough assets to stop it, for a similar scenario https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/ltcm-near-failu...

Re: Three Arrows Capital has defaulted on a loan worth more than $670M

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A fool and their money are soon parted. The real problem is that swindlers have made a huge amount of money and can use that money to corrupt politicians so it affects the rest of us. It’s not just the extra tax of having to care for the newly impoverished. My former local community went all in on a bitcoin scam, they made commissions on new entrants so I never heard the end of it. I only talked about it when asked b…

Could you expand a bit? It sort of sounds like you're describing a small town or a social circle / social scene where everyone got involved in some particular altcoin or something and invested a ton of their personal savings into it while encouraging others to do so as well, is that essentially it? Crazy if so.

That’s essentially it, a small town where everyone knew each other and all hung out in the same bars. I didn’t pay attention to which one it was, I do remember hearing crazy interest, like >40%. I think you also got a cut from new entrants as well, so it reeked of pyramid + ponzi.

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Why would u enjoy people losing their life savings? Just because they told you to have fun staying poor on the way up?

Because you’d have to be a real dumbass to actually put your life savings in crypto. When I first bought crypto, I put in just enough that if I were to lose it all, it would mean one vacation less and a fewer more meals at home for a few months. The returns are absurd enough that a $10k investment can be life changing. Anything beyond that is just greed and stupidity.

For a lot of people, losing $10K is life-changing

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People with crypto coins needs other people to be willing to buy them at higher price just slightly later. They keep exploiting fomo for their own gain. I don't think this is moral and a bit of karma is always welcomed.

Same with most company shares

And I would feel the same if a massive amount of people were pushing for it, were deceptive and exploitative about it.

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Why would u enjoy people losing their life savings? Just because they told you to have fun staying poor on the way up?

It's a common human trait to enjoy when bad things happen to bad people, and crypto bros are the worst.

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Re: Three Arrows Capital has defaulted on a loan worth more than $670M

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Why would u enjoy people losing their life savings? Just because they told you to have fun staying poor on the way up?

Because you’d have to be a real dumbass to actually put your life savings in crypto. When I first bought crypto, I put in just enough that if I were to lose it all, it would mean one vacation less and a fewer more meals at home for a few months. The returns are absurd enough that a $10k investment can be life changing. Anything beyond that is just greed and stupidity.

$10k can’t even buy a car. I don’t know where you are in this crazy world but where I but $10k isn’t life changing, it’s more like a month of fancy dinners.

I guess I’m a real dumbass. :-)

Re: Three Arrows Capital has defaulted on a loan worth more than $670M

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post #23

I really don’t understand the business model of making massive fiat loans to “firms” to buy bitcoin. If crypto goes up, you get a small amount of interest. If crypto goes down, you lose everything. What? Lol. Just spend a fraction of the sum on bitcoin and do something safe with the rest. What was the plan? Edit: I guess when someone has “20 billion dollars” a 700mm loan doesn’t seem like a big risk.

The people making the loans are also speculating on crypto with other funds. The loans exist to pump the price up by fooling "technical" traders. It's market manipulation.

Re: Three Arrows Capital has defaulted on a loan worth more than $670M

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Same with most company shares

And I would feel the same if a massive amount of people were pushing for it, were deceptive and exploitative about it.

There's a subreddit for that too!

https://old.reddit.com/r/gme_meltdown/

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