A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
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A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
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Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#2just install XFCE and don't worry about it. as long as the apt repositories are stable, let them play with their GUI and you can go back worry about something more interesting.
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#3just install XFCE and don't worry about it. as long as the apt repositories are stable, let them play with their GUI and you can go back worry about something more interesting.
Or show Shuttleworth how wrong he is and switch to another distro, most likely Debian for those who are most comfortable with Ubuntu.
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#4just install XFCE and don't worry about it. as long as the apt repositories are stable, let them play with their GUI and you can go back worry about something more interesting.
If Linux ever becomes popular on the desktop, it won't be because of Unity, that's for sure. It's a resource hog and it breaks too many established UI conventions. Unity forced me to start using the keyboard for most things.
I'll give XFCE a try. I don't want to leave Ubuntu, because I like the packages and I don't have to read a manifesto sized manual to install it or learn another package system.
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#5I think ubuntu is taking too much, doing too much. It wants to be on the phone and the tablet, and the desktop, etc. It is also a server distribution. It is also trying radical changes to become the mac osx of the linux world.
Well, it's not even a good distro at work. We're using the last two version of ubuntu, because everytime we upgrade, it breaks.
I used archlinux and I liked what it does. I expect archlinux to break and I expect archlinux to be up-to-date. Even when archlinux breaks, it's no biggie because I backed it up and it's easy to reinstall archlinux.
Ubuntu? What do I expect? Stability and up-to-date programs. Major upgrade does not implies major breakage. Now, they want me to expect Mac OSX like experience? They are now even more unsuitable for work than archlinux is.
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#6I think ubuntu is taking too much, doing too much. It wants to be on the phone and the tablet, and the desktop, etc. It is also a server distribution. It is also trying radical changes to become the mac osx of the linux world. Well, it's not even a good distro at work. We're using the last two version of ubuntu, because everytime we upgrade, it breaks. I used archlinux and I liked what it does. I expect archlinux to…
People should just be using Debian if they want a stable system with good package management with a large repository. Archlinux is very good, but its repository is tiny compared to Debian and I trust Debian package maintainers more than pretty much any other distribution. I'm happy to install the few packages I need up-to-date, like Firefox, manually.
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#7I think ubuntu is taking too much, doing too much. It wants to be on the phone and the tablet, and the desktop, etc. It is also a server distribution. It is also trying radical changes to become the mac osx of the linux world. Well, it's not even a good distro at work. We're using the last two version of ubuntu, because everytime we upgrade, it breaks. I used archlinux and I liked what it does. I expect archlinux to…
I used ubuntu for 5 years or so and finally moved off of it almost 2 years ago. I was a huge linux fan until i used ubuntu. Which intially was great but soon became nothing but marketing hype with one buggy broken release after another. Which just became tiresome after a while. Especially since with each release they act as if THAT release will finally fix all the bugs theyve had and linux hs had. Only to find out it hadnt done any of that.
IN my personally opinion ubuntu completely destroyed linux Because rather then there being many great distros to choose from and play with there is now really only one. In fact OpenSuse was my favorite but that became just an also ran distro that people would compare to ubuntu and but say sorry but it doesnt compare and then stick with ubuntu. Which sucks. Of course OpenSuse also had the kde problem but thats a whole other topic of discussion.
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#8I think ubuntu is taking too much, doing too much. It wants to be on the phone and the tablet, and the desktop, etc. It is also a server distribution. It is also trying radical changes to become the mac osx of the linux world. Well, it's not even a good distro at work. We're using the last two version of ubuntu, because everytime we upgrade, it breaks. I used archlinux and I liked what it does. I expect archlinux to…
People should just be using Debian if they want a stable system with good package management with a large repository. Archlinux is very good, but its repository is tiny compared to Debian and I trust Debian package maintainers more than pretty much any other distribution. I'm happy to install the few packages I need up-to-date, like Firefox, manually.
From a stability perspective, I'd agree. I did want to note that Arch's AUR does put it closer to the Debian package count, but of course the AUR quality is less consistent.
I have really come to like the AUR and consider it one of the strengths of Arch, despite the AUR's shortcomings. Doing recent work on Ubuntu I was really missing my AUR packages and the ease of contributing to the AUR.
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#9just install XFCE and don't worry about it. as long as the apt repositories are stable, let them play with their GUI and you can go back worry about something more interesting.
If Linux ever becomes popular on the desktop, it won't be because of Unity, that's for sure. It's a resource hog and it breaks too many established UI conventions. Unity forced me to start using the keyboard for most things. I'll give XFCE a try. I don't want to leave Ubuntu, because I like the packages and I don't have to read a manifesto sized manual to install it or learn another package system.
UI conventions established by what? Other Linux desktop environments? Established among whom? Old-hat Linux users?
Perhaps that's not who they're targeting.
Re: A Disturbing Dialog About Ubuntu and Unity
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
If Linux ever becomes popular on the desktop, it won't be because of Unity, that's for sure. It's a resource hog and it breaks too many established UI conventions. Unity forced me to start using the keyboard for most things. I'll give XFCE a try. I don't want to leave Ubuntu, because I like the packages and I don't have to read a manifesto sized manual to install it or learn another package system.
UI conventions established by what? Other Linux desktop environments? Established among whom? Old-hat Linux users? Perhaps that's not who they're targeting.
The problem is that they're targeting non-users so heavily that they're alienating the users they already have. If they never take user input to heart, they're going to wind up with no users.