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‘Blade Runner’ at 40

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Re: ‘Blade Runner’ at 40

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Post by exodust »

kennywinker wrote: post #333
exodust wrote: post #326

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> non-consensual sex scene In Blade Runner? I don't recall that... don't they kiss, and then it cuts to next scene. They still have their clothes on, standing by the door!

You can watch it if you’ve got the stomach for it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IjO8wsjPqbg It’s… unpleasant, at best. But you’re right it’s not exactly a “sex” scene, since any sex is implied

She says "put your hands on me" at the end of the scene. Her words. He didn't tell her to say that.

They proceed to kiss each other, and consensual sex is then implied.

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Post by ethbr0 »

mos_basik wrote: post #286
deltaonefour wrote: post #276

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> A quality that makes a film commercially successful is not automatically a quality which makes a film great art. Agreed? Why are you telling me something I completely agree with? >Popular is popular. Art is art. The problem here is that for people like you, most of the time: "Popular is NOT art", it's this elitist attitude that "art" is above what is "popular" that I hate. We divide wealth into classes and now we h…

He's referring to a painting. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images I'm not art critic enough to know even half of what's been written about the meaning of this painting, but I know that it's considered significant, and I immediately recognized the reference. Can't speak for him, but I guess the reason for including it may have been as an example of a work that was decidedly not Popular but (after m…

The Treachery of Images, as I understand it, is a visual/linguistic joke on the multiple definitions of being.

By distilling language down to a most basic, simplified statement, the artist (Magritte) is seducing the viewer into a first impression ("This is a pipe") and then contradicting it, on the basis that a picture of a pipe cannot be used for anything which a pipe can (e.g. smoking).

So yes, similar lines to the Borges map fable.

I included it because at a base level, parent seems to be stubborn about the definition of terms, on which it seemed to opine.

And PS, je ne parle pas français.

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Post by micromacrofoot »

browningstreet wrote: post #38
micromacrofoot wrote: post #6

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it wasn’t particularly good, I really really wanted to like it and persevered through the whole thing… and it’s just a mess

It was better than Foundation…

Unfortunately being better than something that is bad doesn't automatically make something good.

Re: ‘Blade Runner’ at 40

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Post by micromacrofoot »

AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #24
micromacrofoot wrote: post #6

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it wasn’t particularly good, I really really wanted to like it and persevered through the whole thing… and it’s just a mess

I really enjoyed the aesthetic of it, I enjoyed the tone and even many of the major story elements but I found it so hard to track the story. It's unfortunate because the show had the great thematic elements (Mithraic vs atheist war -- mother as a godlike angel etc) and had amazing small details but lost itself somewhere in-between. Why was there a giant worm and why did everyone forget about the giant worm in Season…

> I really enjoyed the aesthetic of it, I enjoyed the tone and even many of the major story elements but I found it so hard to track the story.

Yeah this is exactly what Ridley Scott has done for the past couple decades. It always feels like his stuff is supposed to be twice as long, and we're only getting half the story.

Re: ‘Blade Runner’ at 40

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Post by mistertester »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #365
aresant wrote: post #23

The visual language Bladerunner invented has virtually defined SciFi for the past 40 years. If you enjoy it's worth digging into the work Syd Mead - the film's concept artist - created: https://www.flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/5642443624/in/... https://www.flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/5642443252/in/... https://www.flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/5641873923/in/... https://www.flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_…

It's pretty well-known that the french sci-fi comic Metal Hurlant inspired Bladerunner.

Heavy Metal also inspired the 5th element

Re: ‘Blade Runner’ at 40

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Post by als0 »

Sporktacular wrote: post #140

Ridley Scott is a middling, hit and miss director who has said that if something does well he'll follow up with sequels. It's a kind of throw it at the wall and see what sticks approach as opposed to committing to a vision and knowing when to let it end. Blade Runner was an ambitious, pretty, ambient but also boring film. To refer to it as the GOAT is hyperbolic. To call Scott a genius etc. because of Blade Runner is…

I'd also add that the soundtrack by Vangelis was just as critical as the film's visual elements.

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Post by deltaonefour »

darkerside wrote: post #375
deltaonefour wrote: post #294

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>He's referring to a painting. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images Most people don't know about this painting nor do most people know French... I'm sure you and him are aware of that. It could be that whatever the painting represents fits his point. But you have to look deeper then that because he is fully aware that most people on this site don't know about that painting nor do they know French.…

I've been following this thread, and you seem sincere and not trolling, so I will share with you that I think most people reading this thread can tell you are missing something big. It's OK not to understand everything, but to say you despise people who claim to understand something you don't us... actually despicable. This site is for people to discuss and learn, and curiosity is basically a core value of it. It's O…

Bro. I'm older then you. Lol.

Your very narrow minded to assume that just because someone has a different opinion then you it's from a person younger then you.

In fact talking to someone in such a patronizing tone isnt itself exactly the overly polite tone dang seems to ask for from users on HN. I offer hard controversial opinions with no cushion, you treat me like a child lol. We are both bending the rules here.

If you ever raised a child past his teens, you will know treating a teen like a child, patronizing him is not only a surefire way of making that person your enemy, but it's also wrong and in itself very immature. Shit like "it's ok to be curious and immature when your young" is raw venom cleverly disguised as advice. I will tell you the truth. By saying shit like this you display both immaturity and you show that you are manipulative. Immaturity can be "fixed", manipulation cannot. Don't fuck with me bro.

>BTW, if you share a Chinese saying that people can Google and be educated and delighted by, I think it would be welcomed. Even in Chinese.

The proper way to do this would be to share it in English, and explain it. Thats proper communication. Leaving it in Chinese and expecting you to Google it is a very unnatural thing to do by someone who's intention is to communicate. So obviously there's a secondary intention here.

What this person is doing raw snobbery. You just happen to likely agree with this persons initial opinions on blade runner and the MCU, so during your little team up here your supporting his every move his every tactic, however obviously snobbish.

My tip for you is to always stay neutral. This is the internet so unique to the internet you can take a position where you Have no allies and have no enemies and only offer your raw opinions for everyone to agree and disagree with. At times everyone can disagree with you, at other times everyone agrees with you.

If you find that everyone is agreeing with you all the time... then you're just not a very original person and your not learning anything.

When I offer a controversial opinion occasionally I'm flipped. I'm changed. The other side convinces me and my entire outlook on a topic moves to another dimension. That's what I live for and that's why I offer hard hitting opinions. Because I want people to offer them back.

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Post by deltaonefour »

ethbr0 wrote: post #378
darkerside wrote: post #375

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I've been following this thread, and you seem sincere and not trolling, so I will share with you that I think most people reading this thread can tell you are missing something big. It's OK not to understand everything, but to say you despise people who claim to understand something you don't us... actually despicable. This site is for people to discuss and learn, and curiosity is basically a core value of it. It's O…

> BTW, if you share a Chinese saying that people can Google and be educated and delighted by, I think it would be welcomed. Even in Chinese. Exactly.

Lol we both know the intention here was snobbery. Just reference the painting in English instead of communicating with terminology everyone has to Google.

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Post by exodust »

javajosh wrote: post #79
hedora wrote: post #2

Oh crap; they cancelled Raised by Wolves: https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/raised-by-wolves-ca... Unbelievable! (Ridley Scott was involved with it.)

Sometimes I wish shows like this would be open to doing other stories with the same settings and actors. Like, you already have all the resources, so why not remix them? This kind of thing could work really well for Fantasy stories - you already have the locations, costumes, practical FX, actors - it seems like the script (and the setups) are just about the easiest thing to change. Meanwhile all the rest, music, edit…

The actors would need to learn the new characters and lines? That takes time they rehearse a lot. Or are you suggesting the same characters are used? But then you'd have yourself a regular series with different adventures each episode.

Film industry does already use props over and over. A great one that comes to mind is the scale model of the city that was bought and sold from studio to studio, movie to movie: https://beforesandafters.com/2019/03/26/a-visual-journey-ins...

Re: ‘Blade Runner’ at 40

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Post by deltaonefour »

darkerside wrote: post #372
deltaonefour wrote: post #95

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There are three things that are important to the movie. - Pacing so you don't get bored. - Thematic depth - Atmosphere A lot of pretentious people like to ignore pacing as if their brains are made up of pure IQ and anything related excitement is beneath them. Make no mistake, we are all human and we all get bored. Pacing is important and it takes a lot of effort (and intelligence) for a director to maintain that leve…

I agree with some of this, including that there is value in a pacy story. But there are some stories that simply take time to be told. And if you keep trying to hit plot points or make every moment superficially entertaining, you won't be able to tell certain types of stories. Nowadays, when a movie is critically acclaimed and I am bored watching it, I actually get excited. What is it about this movie, that I'm bored…

No it's not pretentious at all.

What I find pretentious is when you love the slower stuff but hate all the popular stuff and dismiss pacing as even a relevant factor.

Many many people have this attitude and they actually dismiss MCU stuff as raw garbage, too base level for their intellectual tastes.

I repeat. Your post is not pretentious to me at all. It's what I come here for. Thank you.

I agree with you there are movies that require a huge slow as hell build up in order to deliver a huge pay off. I agree and I like those movies despite the slow pacing. But those movies imo would benefit from better pacing regardless. I've seen people quit watching before the payoff and forever have their opinion of that movie forever tainted.

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