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Blood pressure e-tattoo promises continuous, mobile monitoring

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Re: Blood pressure e-tattoo promises continuous, mobile monitoring

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> The device takes its measurements by shooting an electrical current into the skin and then analyzing the body’s response, which is known as bioimpedance. There is a correlation between bioimpedance and changes in blood pressure that has to do with blood volume changes. However, the correlation is not particularly obvious, so the team had to create a machine learning model to analyze the connection to get accurate b…

The article said "researchers at The University of Texas at Austin and Texas A&M University have developed an electronic tattoo that,..., and deliver continuous blood pressure measurements at an accuracy level exceeding nearly all available options on the market today". But yeah they didn't dive into specifics.

The only sad part is, so seldom do I see things exit a university press release, into the real world.

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This sounds fantastic. The blood pressure cuffs are very bothersome for anyone needing to do a 24-hour analysis. My mom did one and it would take a measurement every hour during night time and it was very hard for her to sleep through it. It would be tight enough some times to burst capillaries. And once an hour is a really low resolution.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people who are overweight, do not want to be overweight and have tried everything they can to lose weight. IMO, "eat less and exercise" is great advice, but it depends on a very specific set of preconditions to work. Mental health, affordable and easy access to nutritious and non-poisonous food (such as, vegetables that actually contain the micro-nutrients needed to survive, food that is free from mix-ins that c…

I don't disagree that it's more difficult for some people than for others, but ultimately it's as simple as calories in In a lot of cases a truly healthy diet is cheaper than the tasty but atrociously unhealthy "cheap" foods. Yes, you do sacrifice some variety and flavor, but it's more than doable. The world isn't fair. That sucks, and I'm all for working to change that, but until that change comes we have to accept…

> I don't think it's wrong to point out potential related factors but it is wrong to shift any of the blame to those factors, thereby removing it from oneself.

Blame is not all or nothing. IMO it's more than fair to place some blame on the person, and some blame on the current food production and distribution system that makes it an uphill battle to recover from being overweight. Because they are both to blame.

> The world isn't fair. That sucks, and I'm all for working to change that, but until that change comes we have to accept it for what it is.

I accept that. But shrugging and saying "it is what it is, cope or die because that's how the world works", while truthful, is not very compassionate or helpful. People with issues like this should receive help as a matter of course (if for no other reason, then to reduce public healthcare expenses and keep them alive for longer to pay taxes). Just like most developed countries have food safety regulations, perhaps it's time to start thinking about systemic solutions to what is partially a systemic problem.

Re: Blood pressure e-tattoo promises continuous, mobile monitoring

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Thanks. I thought this was a real tattoo which would have been pretty wild

I'm sure parts of the body mod/biohacking community are already working on it. People are already doing things like embedding RFID into their hands. When I read the headline I thought they had somehow managed to get an actual tattoo to respond to blood pressure changes through the pressure itself, similar to how the cells in Octopi change colour.

my actual tattoo reacts to something (allergens?) occasionally and raises up (I can feel the lines when i touch it).

i can imagine that an electronic tattoo of some sort would feel really strange.

I almost embedded an RFID a few years back but chickened out.

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You could probably calibrate it to each person, and maybe recalibrate every couple months. Still leaves you with a bunch of factors, but maybe those can be controlled for (measuring skin conductivity in addition to impedance?).

Sounds prone to errors from moisture, activity, salt, and all kinds of things.

Even if the device would be much less precise than claimed in the paper, it would still be good enough to save the lives of many people.

One can always measure the blood pressure with a classic instrument every few days and recalibrate the tattoo resistance measurement.

What is important is to be able to measure the blood pressure continuously and trigger an alarm whenever it becomes too high or too low.

My mother died a few years ago, precisely because I did not have such a device for continuous blood pressure monitoring. Having her arm compressed was painful and very unpleasant for her, so I could not measure her blood pressure more than once per day.

She had a very dangerous condition, where she needed to take some medication to avoid a too high blood pressure, which could cause a hemorrhagic stroke, while simultaneously taking high quantities of salt and potassium supplements, because she eliminated them too quickly, so in a very short time she could reach a too low sodium/potassium content in the blood, which would trigger severe neurological problems.

It was very difficult to balance the 2 kinds of medication with contrary effects and every day their doses had to be adjusted.

Without continuous blood pressure monitoring, the daily doses could be based only on guesses, taking into account the recent history.

With great efforts, her health state has been kept stable for a couple of years, but then one day, for unknown reasons, she had a sudden fluctuation in the blood pressure, which became double the normal value, so soon she had a fatal stroke.

With continuous blood pressure monitoring, an alarm would have allowed the immediate use of blood pressure lowering medication, which could have prevented the stroke.

Therefore I believe that the development of such devices is very important, despite their shortcomings.

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My personal anecdata, I would like to share: I developed blood pressure problems last year (140-160/85-95). My doc told me I needed to start meds. I didn't want to though. So in January, I started reducing my Caloric intake. I lost 7 kilos, down from 83kg to 76kg (I am 1.70m tall). My blood pressure went down to (110-120/60-75). No meds required. Just ate less.

> My doc told me I needed to start meds. I didn't want to though.

Doctors would always prefer if patients could solve problems with diet, lifestyle, and weight loss changes. However, few patients are willing and able to follow through like you did, and an increasing number will even take offense to suggestions to lose weight. Kudos for following through.

That said, I’d be surprised if dropping 7kg was the sole reason for your drastic blood pressure change. It’s likely that the improved diet and exercise required to change your weight actually underlie most of the improvement. You will have to remain at least somewhat consistent with that healthier lifestyle even at your new weight in order to avoid falling back to previous hypertensive levels.

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I find that my pattern of breathing has a massive effect on my blood pressure. If I slow my breathing, I can have a large drop from 135/60 to 110/60 (my bottom number is always quite low but my top number can go high).

Since discovering this, I’ve seen some articles about how slow exhalation stimulates the vagus nerve which causes a drop in blood pressure, which offers an explanation.

Re: Blood pressure e-tattoo promises continuous, mobile monitoring

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> The device takes its measurements by shooting an electrical current into the skin and then analyzing the body’s response, which is known as bioimpedance. I thought this would be a passive sensor, but this makes it seem like it's not. Is the electrical current produced "wirelessly" using an electromagnetic field (radio), as in those batteryless sensors? The article makes no comment on how this would work practically…

From what I understood the thing described in article are more or less fancy electrodes. You still need the usual electronics, PCBs and powersource to do the actual measurement. So without developing sufficiently small and flexible electronics, battery, and electrodes for connecting the electronics to the rest of e-tatoo you don't get anything of the promised unobtrusive, continuous measurements. As usual press release is dreaming big when only small fraction of the problem is solved.

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure parts of the body mod/biohacking community are already working on it. People are already doing things like embedding RFID into their hands. When I read the headline I thought they had somehow managed to get an actual tattoo to respond to blood pressure changes through the pressure itself, similar to how the cells in Octopi change colour.

my actual tattoo reacts to something (allergens?) occasionally and raises up (I can feel the lines when i touch it). i can imagine that an electronic tattoo of some sort would feel really strange. I almost embedded an RFID a few years back but chickened out.

Your tattoo probably is the allergen.

It happens with mine too occasionally, it's more noticeable if I'm hot or if I've not moisturised recently.

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My personal anecdata, I would like to share: I developed blood pressure problems last year (140-160/85-95). My doc told me I needed to start meds. I didn't want to though. So in January, I started reducing my Caloric intake. I lost 7 kilos, down from 83kg to 76kg (I am 1.70m tall). My blood pressure went down to (110-120/60-75). No meds required. Just ate less.

Did you change your micronutrient makeup, or reduce sodium more than proportionately to the caloric drop?
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