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USDA ignoring the science on low-carb diets

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Re: USDA ignoring the science on low-carb diets

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Post by akakacase »

recyclelater wrote: post #30
andreareina wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't finding a diet that works: anything that reduces calories below maintenance does it. The problem is what a person will stick to . Different people find different diets to be easier to stick to. If they're luck they find one that leads to a spontaneous reduction of calories consumed and don't need to count.

Not anything, you could run a five hundred calorie deficit and only eat table sugar. You’d lose weight and gain serious metabolic disease. This is an extreme, but obviously there’s better and worse things. Maybe it’s pretty comparable in the reasonable middle, but let’s not kid ourselves and say anything can work if we are talking whole body health not just weight loss.

Dr. Kempner would disagree with that conclusion if he were alive:https://www.drmcdougall.com/newsletters/walter-kempner-md-fo...

Re: USDA ignoring the science on low-carb diets

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Post by Bilal_io »

eru wrote: post #42
mertd wrote: post #6

I imagine if the headline news declared that we should reduce the carbs in our diets, most Americans would up the meat intake and not vegetables, and that would reduce fiber in their diet even more.

Perhaps remove the government from these recommendations altogether? Don't they have more important things to do?

> Don't they have more important things to do?

Like caring about the well being of the citizens?

Re: USDA ignoring the science on low-carb diets

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Post by thelittleone »

ciconia wrote: post #60
thelittleone wrote: post #32

Even without the science... for me personally at 47 and a life long sugar addict (used to eat tablespoons of white sugar from pantry), a low carb (keto) diet has been a complete game changer. I kept my weight in check by doing 6 days of exercise a week, but I was on an energetic roller coaster. 3 months in, no sugar, no cravings (I crave oils sometimes) and damn I just feel well in a way I haven't for long before I c…

Good for you. Strictly speaking, poop is not your body's output, it's your body's waste, and as such is indeed a good indicator of your body's efficiency in pulling out what it needs from the input. I guess your body's output is energy?

Good point. Similar to a car. Fuel is necessary to create power (output) and the exhaust is the waste. Putting bad fuel in reduces power and bad exhaust can be a symptom.

Re: USDA ignoring the science on low-carb diets

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Post by bryans »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #4

I'll know they're serious about health when they put a tax on added sugar and an additional tax on high fructose corn syrup. Until then, they're just actors on a stage

I'm rarely shocked by the ingredients of food anymore, but I was looking at a packet of "honey sauce" from KFC the other day, and couldn't help but laugh at the things we're doing to ourselves. There are 11 ingredients and 5 of them are added sugar. All to recreate something resembling honey, at approximately 2/3 the cost of real honey.

"High Fructose Corn Syrup, Corn Syrup, Sugar, Honey (7%), Fructose, Contains 2% or Less of: Caramel Color, Molasses, Water, Citric Acid, Natural and Artificial Flavor, Malic Acid."

That is sugar, sugar, sugar, honey, sugar, color, sugar, water, acid, flavorant, acid. The lengths they've gone to save a literal penny are staggering.

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Post by wintermutestwin »

Moldoteck wrote: post #58

For me time restricted eating with high protein intake from beans and tofu and a lot of vegetables+seeds did the thing. I guess there are more ways to achieve the same goal. Some diets are healthier some are not, but i don't think there should be only one approved by fda or any other organization

>high protein intake from beans and tofu and a lot of vegetables+seeds

Saying "high" protein implies that the protein:carb and/or protein:fat ratio is high. Beans have a much higher carb to protein ratio and tofu/seeds have high fat to protein ratios. It is close to impossible to eat a high protein diet that is vegan. The only way to do so requires large quantities of highly processed foods (saitan, etc...)

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Post by landemva »

bryans wrote: post #64
readthenotes1 wrote: post #4

I'll know they're serious about health when they put a tax on added sugar and an additional tax on high fructose corn syrup. Until then, they're just actors on a stage

I'm rarely shocked by the ingredients of food anymore, but I was looking at a packet of "honey sauce" from KFC the other day, and couldn't help but laugh at the things we're doing to ourselves. There are 11 ingredients and 5 of them are added sugar. All to recreate something resembling honey, at approximately 2/3 the cost of real honey. "High Fructose Corn Syrup, Corn Syrup, Sugar, Honey (7%), Fructose, Contains 2% o…

Similarly fake for mayonnaise both in restaurant packets and in most grocery stores.

Re: USDA ignoring the science on low-carb diets

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Post by oifjsidjf »

mertd wrote: post #6

I imagine if the headline news declared that we should reduce the carbs in our diets, most Americans would up the meat intake and not vegetables, and that would reduce fiber in their diet even more.

A lot of success that carnivores have is attributed precisely to the removal of fiber, so fiber seems to be giving some people severe issues.

Whether one should stay on the carnivore diet forever is ofcourse a different thing, but fiber is not an innocent thing as people say (at least for people in certain state, god knows what is going on in their intestines which causes them bloating etc.. after eating fiber).

Also don't forget that the Inuit (eskimos) hardly eat any fiber at all and they end up living a normal life.

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