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The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by tux2bsd »

ryandrake wrote: post #302
dragonwriter wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “Woke”: an extreme form of contradictory progressivism popularized in the 2010s, which favors censorship and ostracization over intellectual engagement. Yes, its used by the Right interchangeably with “cancel culture” as an abusive epithet with exactly the sense that the same faction used “political correctness” to communicate right up until they swapped in the new terms, except that the idea that the behavior attr…

Exactly. Ask 10 different conservatives what "woke" means, and you'll get 10 different answers. It's become yet another generic word that simply means whatever the speaker doesn't like. Or, as in this thread, they can't even define it--except to say that it's bad and delusional and intellectual quicksand and... something about hierarchies? and institutions? Who knows? I obviously don't have the intellect to parse thr…

To quote myself: "Woke is used because we know who we're referring to, as do you."

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by tux2bsd »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #378
richbell wrote: post #206

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> They permanently ban accounts for minor infractions (e.g. old fashion flame war), then they ban any account that could be associated (e.g. by IP address). This isn't true. Banning is _per-subreddit_, done by the respective mod teams. Your behaviour would need to be especially egregious for it to be picked up by the admins. > Leftists naturally following a very North Korean and censorious approach. Ah, I see. Makes…

> This isn't true. Banning is _per-subreddit_, done by the respective mod teams. Your behaviour would need to be especially egregious for it to be picked up by the admins. Reddit will ban your IP and all accounts corresponding to that IP for alleged ban evasion of a single sub ban. So no, banning isn't per subreddit or the alleged ban avoider would be just banned solely on the specific sub they have been banned befor…

This is exactly what I experienced.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by tux2bsd »

noasaservice wrote: post #380
tux2bsd wrote: post #377

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You're parroting the beliefs of the woke so chances are high that you're woke, I hope you can turn it around. You have a very confused outlook on life that does not match reality. I'll give you some pointers: Climate change. Weather, been going on for all time. I'll pay attention when rich people abandon their seaside mansions. Taxing the poor. Tax was invented for this. The BLM movement was a farce. Nothing good cam…

Is this a parody account? It's hard to believe someone on HN would be this anti-science and pro-racist as your comments have been. You're not discussing with people with sincerity. You misquote people, and then call them names because it doesn't fit with your viewpoint (whatever that is). I've flagged all your comments, because you cannot seem to behave in any reasonable capacity.

Imagine being so eager to silence other people, and resorting to dishonest claims to do so.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by winternett »

theshrike79 wrote: post #359
winternett wrote: post #259

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Maybe one day when a bank permabans you after you've put years of money into it, and then they just reclaim all of your credits, and the reason they give you is only that "you promoted your business in a sub and that's not allowed on this tiny part of reddit" and that is against "Rule #12" on a random subreddit that didn't even publish the rule... You probably still won't understand the ideal of how people regularly…

You just don't get all your accounts permabanned from Reddit by not following "Rule #12" in one subreddit. You can post pretty disturbing shit and still not even get your NSFW account blocked, nevermind having all your accounts permbanned by IP.

The reddit experience is very different for a person who doesn't have a business they want to market as opposed to someone who is just there for entertainment or personal enlightenment.

Social Media sites an apps work very hard to "beat up" independent business people, so that they are huddled into a group that needs to pay (somehow) every time they want to gain customers or awareness. It's crushing the entire world of independent business. It may not be a conspiracy per-say, but it's a very serious end result of how these apps are set up and administered.

The bank analogy was just a depiction of how difficult people who are trying to promote their work have it in just being able to develop their brand/presence on the Internet now within Reddit's eco system. Scammers and others who don't represent a specific brand don't have this problem, because they don't need to represent a consistent brand name, they can easily use burner and throw-away accounts to promote themselves...

If you run a web site for your company and it gets blacklisted (shadowbanned) all across reddit, you become extra-limited, because then not even people who like your product, company, or service can even post about it or mention it on Reddit. It completely limits and controls the possibility of normal business growth and opportunity for a LOT of people when a site or app grows to be that big/vital as a community. ShadowBanning also isn't apparent to the company owner, they can potentially keep struggling to break ground and never know that all of their posts are being muted.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by antifa »

snickerbockers wrote: post #274
winternett wrote: post #253

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Discord is madness, just the captcha process not working repeatedly reminds me that I can be severed at any time from everything I post there. I stopped logging on when TFA became arbitrary on there, I already get far too many spam calls. At least the slack channels I check on don't require it, but I'm done with walled gardens.. I just chose to cultivate my own site as the primary source of my content, no more social…

> I stopped logging on when TFA became arbitrary on there Did they do this for everybody or only certain people? In my experience Discord is one of the few apps that doesn't constantly make me dig up my phone or help train some dumb AI image recognition every time I use it.

Discord is the worst offenders of apps that make me TFA and answer captchas every time I have the misfortune of needing to use it.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by richbell »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #378
richbell wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They permanently ban accounts for minor infractions (e.g. old fashion flame war), then they ban any account that could be associated (e.g. by IP address). This isn't true. Banning is _per-subreddit_, done by the respective mod teams. Your behaviour would need to be especially egregious for it to be picked up by the admins. > Leftists naturally following a very North Korean and censorious approach. Ah, I see. Makes…

> This isn't true. Banning is _per-subreddit_, done by the respective mod teams. Your behaviour would need to be especially egregious for it to be picked up by the admins. Reddit will ban your IP and all accounts corresponding to that IP for alleged ban evasion of a single sub ban. So no, banning isn't per subreddit or the alleged ban avoider would be just banned solely on the specific sub they have been banned befor…

> Reddit will ban your IP and all accounts corresponding to that IP for alleged ban evasion of a single sub ban.

Is this anecdotal, or do you have more information about this?

In my experience the admins do not care about subreddit bans and only get involved when a person is consistently rule-breaking and evading bans.

Moderators of large subreddits don't even have a direct line of commutation with the admins anymore. There used to be a dedicated Slack where mods could escalate things.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by FooBarBizBazz »

Way to bury the lead:

> I only recently found out that Ghislaine Maxwell, wife to Jeffery Epstein, ran one of the most powerful Reddit accounts on the website. In fact, it was the eighth-most popular account by karma on Reddit.

Spooky X-Files music.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by winternett »

snickerbockers wrote: post #279
winternett wrote: post #259

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Maybe one day when a bank permabans you after you've put years of money into it, and then they just reclaim all of your credits, and the reason they give you is only that "you promoted your business in a sub and that's not allowed on this tiny part of reddit" and that is against "Rule #12" on a random subreddit that didn't even publish the rule... You probably still won't understand the ideal of how people regularly…

That's going to be a huge problem going forward. The whole parler thing from last year has me afraid because it showed how corporate america can collude together to remove you from society if you piss them off. In this specific case it happened to a bunch of assholes who probably deserved it, but in general this is extremely dangerous because of how much power is vested in private entities that have no public account…

Agreed. Most of the people that make the decisions and execute them are people who have no idea of the impacts of their moves.

In so many situations now, platform code is written with a certain intent in mind, but then administered later by replacement employees who have no indication of the end result of what controls do...

These sites often assume that one user persona can accommodate a user base full of multiple different personas and motivations, and they brutally punish anyone that goes outside of the personas they create as templates because their user bases are far too massive to care about individual user issues. It's now easier (and better for their bottom line) to just ban people than to properly address customer support.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by tux2bsd »

Angostura wrote: post #107
unconed wrote: post #51

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Woke refers to an ideology that, among other things, uses manipulative arguments, framing and emotional appeals to hide the fact that it is intellectual quicksand, serving people who want to morally elevate themselves without substance. Exactly like you just did.

‘Woke’ just means, open to the idea that the way you behave may have unintended negative effects on other, potentially disadvantaged folks and it’s worth changing the way you behave in these circumstances. So also - empathy. I’m pretty proud to be called woke, and so should you be.

Manners, being courteous, polite and as you've said empathetic - these good behaviours all existed. That took parents to teach and individuals to act accordingly.

It is a modern myth spread by main stream media that racism and sexism are prevalent. "Woke" (or "wokeness") is weaponised world view that is intolerant and dangerous.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by 8bitsrule »

dromtrund wrote: post #246
huimang wrote: post #132

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It's true that people have been complaining about "eternal september" since at least 2010 when I joined. However IMO reddit really has declined in discussion quality for the most part since then, asides from banning some of the worst subreddits. To say that 2022 reddit is the same as 2010 reddit is preposterous. The main thing right now is bots. Endless copying & reposting of submissions, and even wholesale copy/past…

I also joined in 2010-ish, and although the big subreddits have been declining forever, some of the niche ones have improved massively because of the increased number of users. To me, reddit is two parallel user experiences - interesting discussion in niche subreddits matching my interests, and mindless doom scrolling through the big, astro turfed generic subreddits. There used to be more overlap between the two, but…

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