I think too many of us believe that intelligence is valuable, in and of itself. Instead, I think we should value personal excellence. That is, making the most of the intelligence you’re given. The arc of intelligence in Flowers of Algernon is the same arc that we’ll all experience over our lifetime. With old age, we, too, will lose our intelligence. If we value intelligence, in and of itself, we’ll eventually face a…
> If we value intelligence, in and of itself, we’ll eventually face a crisis of sorts. Related, from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_Water — > […] pretty much anything else you worship will eat you alive. If you worship money and things, if they are where you tap real meaning in life, then you will never have enough, never feel you have enough. It’s the truth. Worship your body and beauty and sexual allure and…
Flowers for Algernon (1965) [pdf]
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Re: Flowers for Algernon (1965) [pdf]
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's the problem with any superintelligence story; they are by definition hard to write without being superintelligent. As Vinge was famously told, "you can't write this story. No one can." If a chimpanzee could write a story about a human expert of any sort, the other chimpanzees wouldn't understand it: it would either be gibberish, or dumbed down to superficial analogies that give an illusion of understanding. ("…
we can know certain things about things that are smarter than us. perhaps even smarter than a post singularity intelligence, for instance, we are "computationally" equivalent to a turing machine: a tape with symbols on it and a head that reads and writes symbols to the tape according to rules. the natural generalization of a turing machine to infinity would be a hyper turing machine: an infinitely wide tape and infin…
Re: Flowers for Algernon (1965) [pdf]
#193Around second grade, something odd happened to me: I discovered I had a photographic memory. For a while I was a trick pony who could read an entire book page once then recite it verbatim. I couldn't understand why other people couldn't do this. Then, a year or so later...it stopped. Not all at once; it became gradually harder and harder to do it, and one day I realized the ability was gone. As all of this was happen…
Re: Flowers for Algernon (1965) [pdf]
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
The most interesting book I've found on the motivations of a super-genius is Notes on the Collection of Transfers . https://www.sidis.net/TransfersContents.htm
I'm not sure I understand. I think I'm missing some context.
Re: Flowers for Algernon (1965) [pdf]
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Disproven is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Is there a study you are citing?
Fair. I meant my claim there more as a question. I only have vague memories of the Sapir Whorf hypothesis. Quickly scanning, I can't find anything definitive. Probably the criticism from Pinker, is what I remember?
I did not realize the whole color relativity thing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity_and_the_...) or the underlying linguistic models (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity) were under such continued debate (but of course they are, how naive of me).
It's an interesting thing to ponder, but I don't think my underlying claim is extraordinary -- that the ready-built groupings a language has or does not have in part reflects the commonness of their use in that culture. Essentially, that every culture has their own Venn diagrams, and those overlaps may be similar but not exactly the same across cultures. Is that more limited claim under debate? It seems self-evident to me, but that could just be my ignorance.
Like when I think of "French food" as an American, a certain type of restaurant comes to mind, but presumably actual French people don't categorize all their cuisines under one simplistic label like that. I know that's the case with Chinese food, at least.
Or other examples, the whole "is a burger a sandwich" debate, or how human races are differently perceived by cultures who don't see a lot of them, or how time is measured and communicated differently across cultures, or animal taxonomies before modern genetics and Linnean classification (e.g. a "whale" sometimes called a "whale fish" in other cultures, or whether a bumblebee is a subtype of a honeybee)... all I'm saying is that linguistic groupings evolve differently across cultures because cultures have different needs.
I think even the "is this really a thing outside of movies" question is actually another great example of this, where Hollywood has its own cultural groupings, and those may or may not overlap with real-world American schools (and if so, which schools in which areas/subcultures?). Or, how "nerd" and "jock" fall into relative disuse once you enter the white-collar business world, which is its own subculture with imperfect groupings like "designers (who never touch code? not necessarily)" vs "engineers (who never look at UIs? hardly)".
Re: Flowers for Algernon (1965) [pdf]
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly how I felt. It explores what motivations of a super-intelligence might be in a way that I hadn't seen before. I understand the commenter's sentiment though--it's difficult to read an earnest story about a super intelligent trans-human because the archetype of "cool and collected super genius" has been done to death and has become cringeworthy.
The most interesting book I've found on the motivations of a super-genius is Notes on the Collection of Transfers . https://www.sidis.net/TransfersContents.htm
Re: Flowers for Algernon (1965) [pdf]
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
The most interesting book I've found on the motivations of a super-genius is Notes on the Collection of Transfers . https://www.sidis.net/TransfersContents.htm
I looked at it and seems this is a collection of inane ramblings about a supremely irrelevant subject: change my mind?
Re: Flowers for Algernon (1965) [pdf]
#198It's kind weird when you remember something and the Internet appears to be telling you that it doesn't actually exist.
Re: Flowers for Algernon (1965) [pdf]
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair. I meant my claim there more as a question. I only have vague memories of the Sapir Whorf hypothesis. Quickly scanning, I can't find anything definitive. Probably the criticism from Pinker, is what I remember?
OK, whoa, sorry... let's take a step back here. I did not mean to imply that language is the sole or complete determinant of culture, or anything remotely that definitive. My statement was overbroad and should've been something way more limited, like "language reflects cultural groupings" or some such. I am not a linguist or an anthro-anything, just a random guy on the internet making observations... sorry if I overs…
At any rate, I sincerely meant that I agree this is neat topic. I just wanted to put in my scepticism that this attitude was fully an American thing.
Re: Flowers for Algernon (1965) [pdf]
#200I always hated this story. For me, the underlying theme is one of class and social structure. The illiterate man is lifted above his situation by science. He is then hammered back down. This is a story about how science cannot change the underlying "natural" state of a person. It is a lesson for scientists about not messing with god-given realities. I also don't like the linking of one's job to one's intelligence. Th…