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The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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> I really don't know where the extreme stuff has gone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8chan and I don't visit it either because I am too old but who would want to fight qanon would probably need to. I salute them.

Besides 8chan there was Voat (and other Reddit clones). Some of the larger subreddits like /r/drama,/r/the_donald, and /r/fatpeoplehate splintered off to their own websites.

And are gone, thedonald.win became america.win and it no longer exists.

These things do not last. /r/changemyview tried it too, their website is also gone.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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That article includes quite a few quotes from union leaders and protestors, none from supporters of the bill. The same journal published several articles opposing the bill. Its bias is obvious and undeniable. And that bias is probably why it fails to mention the death threats, violent rhetoric, chalk outlines, forcing lawmakers to flee, etc. All that in order to stop , not merely protest, passage of the bill. If we'r…

> That article includes quite a few quotes from union leaders and protestors, none from supporters of the bill. Its bias is obvious and undeniable. > And that bias is probably why it fails to mention the death threats, violent rhetoric, chalk outlines Heh. It was an article published Thursday morning about the events that happened Wednesday evening. Of course it doesn't mention everything in the grand context. Do you…

As I understand the WaPo piece, it's talking about the events of Wednesday night, not some "grand context": Police found dozens of .22-caliber bullets scattered across the Capitol grounds. The occupiers drew chalk outlines of fake dead bodies etched with Walker’s name on the floor, and carried signs that read “Death to tyrants,” “The only good Republican is a dead Republican” and one with picture of him in crosshairs with the words, “Don’t retreat, Reload.”

> There were no assassination attempts on Scott Walker

Nor were there any assassination attempts on January 6th.

> the lawmakers were evacuated from the building while the Capitol police were trying to hold back the crowd.

It took me a moment to realize you were talking about Washington, because the same thing happened in Madison: The senators hid under a stairwell, out of view, while the police ordered a city bus to pull up in front of the building. Officers then formed a human wall on the sidewalk, parting the sea of protesters and creating a pathway for the senators to reach the bus. Once the senators were on board, “the mob on the street began punching the windows and shaking the vehicle. … The police told the senators and staff inside to keep their heads down in case a window shattered.”

That, by the way, is what I was talking about when I wrote "forcing lawmakers to flee".

Honestly, it's like the WaPo article and the madison.com article are describing different events, except they aren't, just two perspectives on the same event.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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As someone who was involved with many internet communities long before reddit, it sounds like the author is just experiencing the eternal September[0]. Pretty much since the day I found out about reddit in... 2008-ish?, everyone in the online communities I knew thought it was filled with awful pseudointellectual teenagers and college students, that the upvote/downvote system was horrible and encouraged people to post…

Reddit is hijacking content by requiring it to be hosted on it's own CDN... It's one of the main reasons why they put up walls. Many reddit users are actively involved in content and credit theft as well, but no one knows about how deep it runs. In a world where creators are going unviewed from IG to TikTok, there is literally an underground repost network that literally steals and reposts content to claim credit and…

>This is also why Reddit rarely lets posters link to original content sources like YouTube, IG, and TikTok on major subs any more.

A lot of content creators spam Reddit to get clicks and eyeballs (obviously). Some subreddits have nearly become 100% YouTube threads. As a result some subs/admins have started to craft tighter requirements for the links posted to bring some sort of balance back to the content.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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I didn’t even know about some of the things that the author went over in this article, but it’s undeniable that power-mad mods have ruined anything I ever enjoyed about Reddit over the past ten years. And that there seem to no longer be many interesting voices or fair debate on the site. I found myself logging in less and less over the past four years and when I do, I recognize it less and less also. It just isn’t Reddit at all these days, no matter what logo is on it

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Because the right wing were organising insurrections?

And yet the violent BLM mobs that literally set on fire and looted businesses and shops that had nothing to do with the actual cause were not only not condemned but also glorified and celebrated. You will not convince me that stealing TVs from target during riots that let to many unjustified injuries and deaths is about seeking justice. I’m not even American and this was completely obvious. Please let’s not pretend w…

I live in NYC and was first-hand there for the BLM protests. Can attest that they were almost unilaterally peaceful from my anecdotal experience. The police were extreme in their responses. I was at Un Sq and ppl in the streets were just chanting "no justice, no peace" (but peacefully doing so, I suppose a bit of irony), and suddenly the police yelled out to disperse. I was off the to the side just to observe a moment of history, and watched ppl obey that order, yet personally got rammed by a police shield and hit with a baton because it just takes a crowd a certain amount of time to move. I was livid and saw police barbarity in action.

There certainly were bad actors. I saw a police van lit on fire. But from what I read in the papers, these were prosecuted and out of staters coming to NY to basically get their rocks off. The overall movement was peaceful.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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post #327

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> That article includes quite a few quotes from union leaders and protestors, none from supporters of the bill. Its bias is obvious and undeniable. > And that bias is probably why it fails to mention the death threats, violent rhetoric, chalk outlines Heh. It was an article published Thursday morning about the events that happened Wednesday evening. Of course it doesn't mention everything in the grand context. Do you…

As I understand the WaPo piece, it's talking about the events of Wednesday night, not some "grand context": Police found dozens of .22-caliber bullets scattered across the Capitol grounds. The occupiers drew chalk outlines of fake dead bodies etched with Walker’s name on the floor, and carried signs that read “Death to tyrants,” “The only good Republican is a dead Republican” and one with picture of him in crosshairs…

> Honestly, it's like the WaPo article and the madison.com article are describing different events, except they aren't, just two perspectives on the same event.

The Washington Post article is literally labeled an "Opinion" by the Washington Post, and it was written by Marc Thiessen, who coincidentally co-wrote a book with Scott Walker: https://www.amazon.com/Unintimidated-Governors-Story-Nations...

Talk about obvious and undeniable bias!

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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if going by what the writer wrote about the length of Aron Swartz incarceration is true, then that's way too much (35-year sentence). I mean he didn't kill someone even though what he did might be illegal. I just feel they just wanted to eliminate him. it's also totally unfair that he was erased from the history of reddit without good recognition for his work and contribution.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand the WaPo piece, it's talking about the events of Wednesday night, not some "grand context": Police found dozens of .22-caliber bullets scattered across the Capitol grounds. The occupiers drew chalk outlines of fake dead bodies etched with Walker’s name on the floor, and carried signs that read “Death to tyrants,” “The only good Republican is a dead Republican” and one with picture of him in crosshairs…

> Honestly, it's like the WaPo article and the madison.com article are describing different events, except they aren't, just two perspectives on the same event. The Washington Post article is literally labeled an "Opinion" by the Washington Post, and it was written by Marc Thiessen, who coincidentally co-wrote a book with Scott Walker: https://www.amazon.com/Unintimidated-Governors-Story-Nations... Talk about obvious…

Absolutely biased, no doubt. Not a word in that story about why the bill, maybe, should have failed. Not a single quote from protesters.

Both are undoubtedly guilty of selective reporting.

But let's be clear, are you accusing the WaPo piece of lying, not merely choosing what to cover?

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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post #18

As someone who was involved with many internet communities long before reddit, it sounds like the author is just experiencing the eternal September[0]. Pretty much since the day I found out about reddit in... 2008-ish?, everyone in the online communities I knew thought it was filled with awful pseudointellectual teenagers and college students, that the upvote/downvote system was horrible and encouraged people to post…

The author is actually complaining about a lot of half conspiracy theories around reddit.

They don't even touch on the Eternal September of reddit. Every thread is full of the most mundane observations possible, lazy puns, entirely expected The Office references and sayings which have been said literally thousands of times before -- followed up by someone going "this is the most perfect comment" all of which is wildly upvoted.

It feels like it is being botted by a simplistic lazy circle jerking ML text generation algorithm. Maybe it is. But it is definitely drowning in https://xkcd.com/1053/.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Have you looked at the subs they're talking about? They're sharing collections of zip folders of girls openly advertised as as young as 13, they're stalking women via social media sending descriptions of their potential rape to their family, they're robbing women's houses and sharing their stolen belongings, they're flashing, groping and ejaculating on women in public and filming it for upvotes. Call it morality poli…

I think the point that GP is making is not that every subreddit that a group of people complain about is nothing to be concerned or worried about; rather, that people who inhabit subs dedicated to banning other subs operate within a moral framework which on the whole is dubious at the edges. For example, clamoring to ban consensual non-consent (CNC, a form of kink) subreddits because they perceive it as "normalizing"…

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take from this. You're giving me an example of a community that has "moralising" elements. I have no doubt that there are people there against pornography and who are willing to openly say they're uncomfortable with certain kinks. I know there are also people in the community who are not like that.

The function of the community is to draw attention to outright abuse that is happening on Reddit in the open. That is a broad mission and will definitely attract a range of people. Some may be moralists or however you want to paint them. Does that mean we should turn away from them or what do you suggest?

Maybe you could join the effort and be a voice of the reason you believe in and speak out against what you perceive as unhealthy "kink shaming" and ensure the topic stays on hand against things that are definitely not "edge cases" (which from my experience is the majority of what's posted).

No doubt it's imperfect "at the edges" but what isn't? It seems dangerous to draw attention away from _the huge issue in the middle_.

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