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The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by 12amxn12 »

qsdf38100 wrote: post #146

Reddit is still one of the best place to find relevant and accurate information, compared to say Facebook, Twitter or some random website. Depends on the subreddit of course, but at least healthy communities can be created and moderated. Of course you’ll also find terrible and toxic communities and users, like The_Donald, which has fortunately been banned. Why is the author only focusing on bad aspects? What’s the pu…

Sounds like you clearly have an agenda, which comes down to "it's okay to ban anything I don't agree with". And that's exactly what the article is talking about.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

richbell wrote: post #209
ipiz0618 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried searching for "Hunter Biden" on Reddit after reading about him in the news before the election. Nothing returned. Not a single post about this person, like he didn't exist at all. After the election, results started to appear. I'm not even American, just someone who wanted to look at comments about the news. I don't think "both sides" is an accurate statement of what's happening.

> I tried searching for "Hunter Biden" on Reddit To be fair, Reddit's search is completely broken. The only way you can get decent results is using Google...

Ironically, on this specific topic, Google has its own problems. If I search for "hunter biden emails" on Google, I get page after page of media analysis telling me what to think, but no link to the emails themselves. If I used that same search term on Yandex, the page hosting the emails is the very first result.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by HumanReadable »

My issue with reddit is the polar opposite. It's not moderated remotely aggressively enough!

Any interesting subreddit immediately falls to the lowest common denominator without aggressive moderation. /r/askhistorians is a good example of the level of moderation a subreddit needs to remain sane as it grows.

People like to complain about gatekeeping, but societies build gates for a reason. I would like a forum that actively encourages gatekeeping and bans users who consistently post low quality comments.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by leereeves »

krapp wrote: post #231
leereeves wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have people forgotten 2016 so quickly? The left had a nationwide movement named "Occupy" and the Democrats and most media approved. The right did it once and the same people all lost their minds.

Occupy was a series of legal protests, as opposed to a violent insurrectionist plot to subvert the legal transfer of power with sympathizers within the government. These are not the same.

Legal? Most occupy occupations were dismantled by the police, even in progressive cities like Oakland and Portland. Perhaps the police were wrong and the protestors had a right to occupy, but if so, why didn't the protestors on Jan 6 also have a right to occupy the Capitol?

Violent? The only violence on January 6th was between police and protestors. There was plenty of similar violence at Occupy protests, but the Occupy protests also had other kinds of violence, like Sexual Assaults Reported in 'Occupy' Camps[1]

Insurrectionist? "The FBI at this point believes the violence [on January 6th] was not centrally coordinated...there was no grand scheme...to storm the Capitol and take hostages."[2]

Sympathizers within the government? Like Obama?[3]

An attempt to disrupt the normal functioning of government? Yes, both were. That's actually a common protest tactic - protesters generally argue that a protest has to be disruptive to be effective.

1: https://abcnews.go.com/us/sexual-assaults-occupy-wall-street...

2: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-e...

3: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-risky-embrace...

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by dromtrund »

huimang wrote: post #132
mjr00 wrote: post #18

As someone who was involved with many internet communities long before reddit, it sounds like the author is just experiencing the eternal September[0]. Pretty much since the day I found out about reddit in... 2008-ish?, everyone in the online communities I knew thought it was filled with awful pseudointellectual teenagers and college students, that the upvote/downvote system was horrible and encouraged people to post…

It's true that people have been complaining about "eternal september" since at least 2010 when I joined. However IMO reddit really has declined in discussion quality for the most part since then, asides from banning some of the worst subreddits. To say that 2022 reddit is the same as 2010 reddit is preposterous. The main thing right now is bots. Endless copying & reposting of submissions, and even wholesale copy/past…

I also joined in 2010-ish, and although the big subreddits have been declining forever, some of the niche ones have improved massively because of the increased number of users. To me, reddit is two parallel user experiences - interesting discussion in niche subreddits matching my interests, and mindless doom scrolling through the big, astro turfed generic subreddits. There used to be more overlap between the two, but the days of interesting comment threads in the default subreddits are definitely gone now.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

leereeves wrote: post #227
dTal wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty disingenuous, considering that the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack is currently headline news.

Have people forgotten 2016 so quickly? The left had a nationwide movement named "Occupy" and the Democrats and most media approved. The right did it once and the same people all lost their minds.

The media undermined the Occupy protests, portraying them as a rudderless, rag-tag bunch of unemployed no-hopers seeking government handouts.

The establishment media (millionaire mouthpieces for billionaires) is not going to assist any movement that actually threatens the establishment.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by teddyh »

coffeeblack wrote: post #192
multjoy wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the right wing were organising insurrections?

Do people really unironically believe that?

It sells news if people do, so news promotes this view:

http://www.thewebcomicfactory.com/comic/the-antiwar-comic-in...

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Post by winternett »

richbell wrote: post #198
Jistern wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. The Reddit mods I've dealt with were nasty people.

I think the tiny amount of power goes to people's heads. Power-tripping moderators of small subreddits are a dime a dozen. The larger problem is that most subreddits are moderated by a handful of people, whose interest is expressly _moderating_. They don't care about the community. How could they, they have so many? And the power absolutely goes to their head.

It's really because most mods and tech leaders are the types of people that want to play everything like a video game and have everyone else just watch them play as a spectator...

We praise exec wisdom and foresight a lot, but in reality, the people who come in an sit for years in exec positions when no new innovation happens are just reacting to profit indicators and protecting the company for as long as they serve, while leaving a bunch of headaches for the next guy who comes in.

This is the age of "don't rock the userbase" boat in tech. It's only companies that disrupt the entire social media landscape as we know it that wins next, but given time, they too will screw it all up...

All of it repeatedly just reaffirming the true genius of MySpace Tom.

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