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Ask HN: What happened to robots taking all our jobs?

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Re: Ask HN: What happened to robots taking all our jobs?

#31

I think it's happening, just more slowly than predicted. Mostly jobs in manufacturing have been lost: about a quarter of a million since 2000. A couple orders of magnitude more jobs are expected to be lost, but the future is obviously uncertain. When reading statistics like this, though, it's important to ask two things: 1. If the report lists how many jobs were lost due to automation, does it also talk about how man…

Maybe the jobs are worse? Maybe they used to be able to work 8hr and go home leaving work behind and now they stress about their knowledge based job and can't help but think about the problems all day long.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to robots taking all our jobs?

#32
1. Most, and I am willing to even state 99% of tech ( where tech nowadays means Software ) people working in Silicon Valley doesn't have a clue how the outside world works. Along with Tech VCs which is why you get those fundings to Cloud Kitchens Robots taking over Restaurants. They clearly have never worked in a restaurants before.

2. The cost of developing Chips, Robotics is still ridiculously high. If Robotics ( which really is nothing more than Automation 2.0 ) did make cost savings, I can assure you, you will see it first being tested and deployed in the likes of McDonalds where they get an economy of scale. And it is happening, but no way near ready yet.

3. Tech people, or mostly Silicon Valley Tech people have vastly underestimated human being. How flexible we are and how quickly we could adopt to different task and needs, while giving comparatively little wages.

4. This is the same with Foxconn.

5. You should take a look at Car manufacturing and Amazon Warehouse on Automation or Robotics.

>>When can I expect robots to take our jobs?

Cost will still need to come down. And it is going to be a long and gradual path. Steve Jobs wanted a Giant Machine that makes the machines. That was in the 90s.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to robots taking all our jobs?

#33
We are converging.

We have people working on ML for understanding multilevel tasks, recognizing the souroundings, understanding items, generic ai etc.

Digital twins become normal.

The race for the robot has already started and with companies like Tesla now talking about it much more than before, we might see it happening in the next 10 years.

Buy a robot,.show it what it should do, replace low skill workers.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to robots taking all our jobs?

#34

Automation has been eliminating jobs since the 1960s, which is why Richard Nixon was ready to propose a form of universal income in 1969. He backed out because of racism. Look at real wages of the working class since then, vs productivity. Workers keep generating more profits, and don't get more pay.

I thought at that time the main reason the nation backed out of the universal income was not racism, but a statistical error:

> Even former Nixon advisor Daniel Moynihan stopped believing in basic income, following a fatal discovery upon publication of the final results of the Seattle experiment. One finding in particular grabbed everybody’s attention: The number of divorces had jumped more than 50%. Interest in this statistic quickly overshadowed all the other outcomes, such as better school performance and improvements in health.

> Ten years later, a reanalysis of the data revealed that a statistical error had been made; in reality, there had been no change in the divorce rate at all.

From https://thecorrespondent.com/4503/the-bizarre-tale-of-presid...

Re: Ask HN: What happened to robots taking all our jobs?

#35

There is a Whole Foods store one block away from my house. Next to it I can see a number of bicycles with some type of trailers. They are used for deliveries. With such a bicycle a person can deliver easily 3 times more than a person who just pushes the groceries on a cart. One way to look at this is to say the bicycle increased someone's productivity by a factor of 3. But another way to look at it is to say that one…

> I noticed there are no more manned tollbooths.

There are still some, mostly getting rid of the people was pandemic related I do believe. But if you really want to you can still make them get out in the rain by handing them a $100 bill and they have to get out of the little booth to record your license plate number — for posterity,

Re: Ask HN: What happened to robots taking all our jobs?

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/06/16/flippy-the-robot-is-s...

Regarding food and cooking: considering that the ice-cream machine at McDonald's breaks down so easily, and is so difficult/costly to repair, one shudders to think of the operational cost and hazard of a robot cook in the kitchen.

I have my doubts about how often those machines really break down.

If you ever want a fun adventure try to get a milkshake in Phoenix at 3AM in the middle of summer. All the machines are conveniently “broken”.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to robots taking all our jobs?

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post #21

Silicon valley is full of crap is what happened. Some jobs have been reduced - bank teller, cashier etc. There are also lots of jobs that could be replaced but aren't beause of weird regulations and such - lawyer etc. But most jobs - making hamburgers, cooking, laying brick, pouring cement, packing stuff in warehouses or assembly lines - stuff that matters, automation looks as far off as ever. Sure machines do a lot…

> lawyer etc

funny you mention that, because discovery automation (the job that a lot of starting lawyers do) is huge. It used to take weeks or even months, to just sort through the mountains of papers and emails. Now it's indexable and searchable, and probably even have machine classifications to identify the valuable pieces of info.

The reason lawyers haven't been fired (and that you think lawyers aren't automate-able) is that they move up the value chain - provide client focused advice, etc, where the client prefer not to see a robot.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to robots taking all our jobs?

#38
post #17

It turned out Luddites are still wrong after 200 years. Automation destroy jobs, but others are created. The belief in job stealing robots is mostly tech bro lore and not based in science nor empirical observation.

> It turned out Luddites are still wrong after 200 years.

it's not that they're wrong - they're just arguing that automation is destroying _their_ livelihood.

The argument isn't that automation is bad - it's great...for the rest of society, at least in the medium-to-long term. It's poor for those being displaced.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to robots taking all our jobs?

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post #12

Touchscreens have replaced lots of human jobs. Self checkouts have replaced lots of human jobs. I worked in one of the very first grocery stores to have a self checkout added. They told us it wouldnt affect our jobs. If you go into any grocery store in the country you will see ~25% staffing compared to the late 90s/early 2000s. If you are askibg this question you are just too young to have noticed, or perhaps of a so…

Conversely there are people who pick the shelves, and drive vans to deliver groceries.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to robots taking all our jobs?

#40
3 things to note

1) I think it really depends on how you define "robots". If you defined robots to include servers, many jobs have already been taken.

2) Transitions are slow. Jobs our parents knew don't exist any longer. But it won't happen faster than that.

3) People move on and learn new things. It's great to get rid of receptive tasks that a computer/robots can do. It is liberating. No one wants to wash their dishes or clothes by hand these days.

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