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Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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Can you use the meadows above the tree line for agriculture? That’s what they eat during the summer.

As I said, there's a limit to such land, and a limit to how much cattle that can be raised on that land. There's a reason why cattle farming went from extensive to intensive methods.

What? There’s a limit to highlands? That entirely depends on where you live. ;)

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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But if we eat the animals that eat the grain arnt we kinda eating the grain... like indirectly? If I grind the grain into a kinda dust and then let tiny organisms eat the dust and then cook those organisms am I eating grain?

About 90% of energy is lost from one trophic level to the next

With modern urban lifestyles requiring (for many people) a lot less calories than ancient lifestyles of running around some great plains this is actually a feature to some degree for many people

People need to take up protein. If the protein comes with significantly more calories than they burn, they're more likely to gain weight.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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The alfalfa is also used for cows grown in CA for CA residents. That's also a bad thing. Cow farms should be significantly limited in arid climates. There are ecologically better alternatives.

If you're pumping water to grow grass in the desert just for the beef, there are better uses for the water. However, cows have the unique ability to turn grass into protein, so if all an area can grow is grass, cows are a great way to get calories out of it. Properly allowed to graze freely, cows can be a net improvement on a particular ecology as a carbon sink (manure is an improvement to the soil), but shipping the…

You get more protein per X acres eating corn than feeding that same corn to cows and eating the cows.

If you prefer meat then chicken is worse than eating corn but still much better than cows. We eat beef because it’s delicious and that’s it’s only advantage at scale.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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In reality, the United States is the largest exporter of calories in the world, and the overwhelming source of direct food aid, and has been since WWII.

This is giving the dystopian chills when I consider that the Uber-wealthy proponents of population reduction (Bill Gates) are buying up crop land. Long game?

Long game is either population control or world domination.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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I've started eating barley a couple of times a week, which is used primarily as an animal grain. I've found it makes a great alternative to rice or quinoa. From Wikipedia: > Globally 70% of barley production is used as animal fodder,[4] while 30% as a source of fermentable material for beer and certain distilled beverages, and as a component of various foods. It is used in soups and stews, and in barley bread of vari…

I usually get my barley in a fermented soup, served cold with herbs. Otherwise known as beer.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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Can you use the meadows above the tree line for agriculture? That’s what they eat during the summer.

As I said, there's a limit to such land, and a limit to how much cattle that can be raised on that land. There's a reason why cattle farming went from extensive to intensive methods.

Limit? The US federal government has over 100 million acres of public land for animal grazing.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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There are way too many cows, man, and all because of marketing and greed.

Greed only plays a supporting role here. Gluttony is the cardinal sin more to blame.

Gluttony is greed.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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If you're pumping water to grow grass in the desert just for the beef, there are better uses for the water. However, cows have the unique ability to turn grass into protein, so if all an area can grow is grass, cows are a great way to get calories out of it. Properly allowed to graze freely, cows can be a net improvement on a particular ecology as a carbon sink (manure is an improvement to the soil), but shipping the…

You get more protein per X acres eating corn than feeding that same corn to cows and eating the cows. If you prefer meat then chicken is worse than eating corn but still much better than cows. We eat beef because it’s delicious and that’s it’s only advantage at scale.

We also prefer beef because that much corn consumption would be incredibly unhealthy.

People like to shit on animal farms and say that more calories could be grown with less resources with plants. That's true, but the calorie count isn't the only factor to consider. Humans need a diverse diet.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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A staggering amount of California's water is used for alfalfa, which gets shipped to China to feed cows. In essence, we are allowing certain farmers to sell CA's water to China.

The water is owned by the farmers, not by California. Probably the state should eminent domain it, but I have no idea what it would cost to do so.
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