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Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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But if we eat the animals that eat the grain arnt we kinda eating the grain... like indirectly? If I grind the grain into a kinda dust and then let tiny organisms eat the dust and then cook those organisms am I eating grain?

You are, but you're eating far more grain than you would otherwise be as there are huge energy losses (the animals expend energy being alive after eating the grain) than if you at the grain directly.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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> which is not super desirable as human food without significant processing I see this repeated all the time. Is making cornmeal or cornflour really that much more involved than wheat flour, semolina, or rolled oats?

No, probably not. Mostly it gets said because sweet corn is tasty when prepared simply as a whole food, and it's what most people think of when they see the word "corn".

I mostly see it as a bad faith argument for why the only possible productive use of x fraction of land is for growing feed and herding cattle and didn't know the 'animal feed corn' and corn as a grain for people are the same crop.

If it's basically the same level of involvement as as bleached flour, then the only real relevant issues are how to source a balanced protein so you don't have to eat half a kilo of carbs when you don't need the energy and how distructive other micronutrient sources are.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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I've started eating barley a couple of times a week, which is used primarily as an animal grain. I've found it makes a great alternative to rice or quinoa. From Wikipedia: > Globally 70% of barley production is used as animal fodder,[4] while 30% as a source of fermentable material for beer and certain distilled beverages, and as a component of various foods. It is used in soups and stews, and in barley bread of vari…

I grew up in a land where 95% of the farms grew the same two crops and it was unsettling if you think about it. When mosaic virus started to become a problem here there were a number of stories published about how few grains represent most of our calories and two epidemics happening in the same year or couple of years could put us into a very, very bad situation.

I decided probably 20 years ago that the simplest thing I could do was to eat multigrain bread, based on the observation that it's not just acres of alternative grain that matter in a situation like this, it's experience with grains that matter. A farmer who has grown 5 acres of millet for a decade can easily ramp that to 50, 100, and his neighbors can impose upon him for advice to do the same (probably the next year or the year after since farmers gonna farm).

But if you don't know anyone who grows millet or sorghum or chia or whatever, it's going to take you years to sort that out, and if you're older you might just decide to try to avoid having to change at all.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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But if we eat the animals that eat the grain arnt we kinda eating the grain... like indirectly? If I grind the grain into a kinda dust and then let tiny organisms eat the dust and then cook those organisms am I eating grain?

About 90% of energy is lost from one trophic level to the next

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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In 70 something years we went from 60% forest coverage of earth's land mass to 30%. I can't help but wonder how it would be without any animal agriculture.

It is a really depressing reality that we have carved out. It isn't even clear to me at all what we've gained through this destruction. It also isn't clear if the Green Revolution was a net long-term benefit.

You might be interested in the book Against the Grain: A Deep History of the Earliest States by James C. Scott. I have it sitting on my desk and have watched some talks by the author, but I haven't gotten to the book yet.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which is not super desirable as human food without significant processing I see this repeated all the time. Is making cornmeal or cornflour really that much more involved than wheat flour, semolina, or rolled oats?

A little bit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixtamalization Best use of maize, IMO, is fermentation. Let the yeast have it first, take off the volatiles, then feed the mash leftovers to tasty critters.

Neither cornmeal nor cornflour are nixtamalized, but historically most consumed corn was before the inexperienced European colonizers began using it.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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The problem with this kind of post is not, as you might surmise, that people disagree with the notion that reducing meat consumption is helpful from an emissions perspective.

It is that the binary presentation implies an either-or when in fact both are helpful.

Plus it just shits on people and nobody likes that.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

#30

A staggering amount of California's water is used for alfalfa, which gets shipped to China to feed cows. In essence, we are allowing certain farmers to sell CA's water to China.

Agriculture consumes a lot of water in this drought stricken state. The worst part is that many of these farms pump water from the ground thereby collapsing underground aquifers. This is an irreversible change and has caused the Central Valley to sink by several feet over the last few decades. There is zero political will to solve this. Instead we waste time and energy on pointless green initiatives, desalination and harassing homeowners to stop watering lawns. Keep in mind the labor used to grow these plants is imported as well.

California is a very wealthy state and giving up some of these agricultural businesses to other states and maybe even to our poorer southern neighbors will be an overall good thing with minimal loss in tax revenues. These lands should be used to grow trees instead.

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