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Ask HN: Any certification that is worth it? Legitimately helped your career?

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Re: Ask HN: Any certification that is worth it? Legitimately helped your career?

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Actually you can, you just need to experience to get the charter. You can go pass the exam so long as you have the educational background.

Here are the requirements: https://www.calcpa.org/cpa-career-center/cpa-requirements The test is administered by aicpa, but this is a helpful starting point.

Yes to get the charter, you must have work experience. To take the exam, you do not.

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Re: Ask HN: Any certification that is worth it? Legitimately helped your career?

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I used to be a pentester, so it was pretty applicable... Pentesting really requires "full stack" systems knowledge, from networking, to OS, to API analysis, malware analysis, binary reverse engineering. OSCP is an applied cert, so it really forces you to be able to leverage knowledge in a practical way. However my favorite benefit of offsec is really being able to see things from an attacker's perspective. This has b…

I'm thinking about getting into pen-testing and eventually getting an OSCP. Would you mind offering a few words about why you left the pen-testing field? Also, do you have a CEH or do you recommend bypassing it in favor of the OSCP?

CEH is literally useless, I used to have it because I did DoD. That’s the only reason to do it.

I got out of pentesting because no one follows your recommendations. I could give 40 recommendations after doing a pentest, come back a year later and none of them would have been implemented.

People don’t care about security—-it’s why everything is broken and it’s getting worse.

I moved into Distributed Ledger Technology because I think it could help solve security issues people face daily in a way where they cannot mess up. That’s the idea anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Any certification that is worth it? Legitimately helped your career?

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I collect a lot of certs for fun, but most have not been helpful. I still like to collect them anyway. I think OSCP was the most legitimately useful in tech https://www.offensive-security.com/pwk-oscp/ PMP has been useful to take on Project Manager roles, but really PrM roles aren't all that exciting to begin with. Still helps when you want to run your own projects. I'm currently studying to be a certified parliament…

I'd imagine financial certs would be the most useful (CFA in particular). I’m similar to you - have a ton of certifications and I’m an insanely good test taker. Several years ago I signed up for the Level 1 CFA exam in late August to take it on December 5th. So I had a little over 3 months to study for it. My first inclination that I made a horrible mistake was when one of my portfolio manager coworkers said to me, “…

Thanks for the feedback, yeah that matches what I thought about the exam. I don’t think it’s likely I’ll pass but I’ll give it a go.

Re: Ask HN: Any certification that is worth it? Legitimately helped your career?

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This only makes sense if your pronouns are He/Man.

TIL women can't be masters of anything?

I suppose you could make a She/Ra pronouns joke. Or maybe Battle/Cat if you’re a furry.

Re: Ask HN: Any certification that is worth it? Legitimately helped your career?

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This will not apply to all companies, but for our hiring decisions certs have an adverse effect. If someone puts many certifications on their resume my expectations are lower and I likely won't consider them for interviews. It's a negative signal in my experience. Your time is better spent working on side projects, contributing to open source, writing a blog, etc. I.e. do real-world stuff instead of wasting time on a…

Be careful about the bias in single-metric gatekeeping strategies like this. Contributing to open source projects, having side projects, et al are pursuits of leisure. Certificates are possibly the only foot in the door for folks working multiple jobs with kids, etc. and the government often pays the tuition for low income folks. Once you’ve got them, even if you’re more established, it would be crazy to leave them o…

I think how many certs and how up-center in your cv you put them matters.

E.g. if I'm hiring for a junior dev and get some self-taught person having done a couple of relevant online courses and so far managed to get a tech support role looking to become a programmer I'm often interested in talking to them.

On the other hand, I have seen cv's from senior enterprise/government engineers, 10 pages long, plastered all over with certs, titles, abbreviations, version numbers, iso standards, etc. and I have absolutely no idea what they actually did or achieved in their prior jobs even when googling a dozen terms. They might be great in the context they are working in, but they are from experience not a great fit for the context I'm hiring for.

Re: Ask HN: Any certification that is worth it? Legitimately helped your career?

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I collect a lot of certs for fun, but most have not been helpful. I still like to collect them anyway. I think OSCP was the most legitimately useful in tech https://www.offensive-security.com/pwk-oscp/ PMP has been useful to take on Project Manager roles, but really PrM roles aren't all that exciting to begin with. Still helps when you want to run your own projects. I'm currently studying to be a certified parliament…

Where did you learn the material for your PMP cert? There are so, so many courses out there advertising PM training; not sure how to filter.

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I collect a lot of certs for fun, but most have not been helpful. I still like to collect them anyway. I think OSCP was the most legitimately useful in tech https://www.offensive-security.com/pwk-oscp/ PMP has been useful to take on Project Manager roles, but really PrM roles aren't all that exciting to begin with. Still helps when you want to run your own projects. I'm currently studying to be a certified parliament…

I perked up recently when I learned that one can now become an accredited investor via a Series 7, Series 65, or Series 82 license, bypassing the income/net worth requirements[0]. [0] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/092815/how-b...

Woah! That seems like a big deal! Cool find, thank you.

Re: Ask HN: Any certification that is worth it? Legitimately helped your career?

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This will not apply to all companies, but for our hiring decisions certs have an adverse effect. If someone puts many certifications on their resume my expectations are lower and I likely won't consider them for interviews. It's a negative signal in my experience. Your time is better spent working on side projects, contributing to open source, writing a blog, etc. I.e. do real-world stuff instead of wasting time on a…

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Re: Ask HN: Any certification that is worth it? Legitimately helped your career?

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Be careful about the bias in single-metric gatekeeping strategies like this. Contributing to open source projects, having side projects, et al are pursuits of leisure. Certificates are possibly the only foot in the door for folks working multiple jobs with kids, etc. and the government often pays the tuition for low income folks. Once you’ve got them, even if you’re more established, it would be crazy to leave them o…

> Once you’ve got them, even if you’re more established, it would be crazy to leave them off of your resume, right? Not necccesarily. Depending on the cert and field it may make sense to. The goal of getting the cert should be to learn skills. If you've done that, the piece of paper doesn't matter. > Not only could you be bypassing people passionate enough to work their way into the field through pretty adverse circu…

Are you sure those were verified? It used to shock me that people who put on cv “5 years” of programming experience in language X could not write switch statement in it, not anymore. Certifications like CKA can be verified online, cvs should include verification link; CKA/CKAD expires after 3 years, CKS after 2 years so it’s physically impossible to have too many of certificates like this.

Re: Ask HN: Any certification that is worth it? Legitimately helped your career?

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as someone in Devops/SRE I hold the same thinking as you. Whenever I see an interview come in loaded with certs, I automatically think they just know how to take tests and study for them. It's almost 100% that they fail the interview because they don't know how to put the learning into real world solutions.

I find this take funny. My past company had a huge pile of credits for certs because they valued them and I figured “I’ve been working with AWS; why not?” I didn’t study or prepare at all and went in using only the hands-on knowledge I picked up over my career. I came out with all the associate certs, the AWS solutions architect pro, and their network specialty. As a hiring manager I find certs to be a neutral indica…

Also, sometimes companies will force employees to get certified for many reasons. My own company was recently looking to renew their Gold Partnership with Microsoft and so they were looking for victims to get Microsoft certified, because, apparently, that's the requirement for partnership.

As for why companies need such partnership: it speaks well to managerial types, therefore helps win contracts.

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