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Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by libraryatnight »

screye wrote: post #330

I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

You're the problem. Seriously. I mean no disrespect. But people like you are thought-experimenting our rights away. The women in my country are less free than they were yesterday. You're playing rhetorical games and sympathizing. One party tried to over turn a free and fair election. You probably say "both sides" to that, too. One party is trying to ban teaching any sort of realistic depiction of slavery in our history. One party presses their way of life on the nation. Roe was decided based on a right to privacy. That benefited us all. We're all less free. You go ahead and wait and see. This luke warm, middling, "devils advocate" nonsense is the problem. It's why we'll gradually lose everything.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by [deleted] »

gonehome wrote: post #516
screye wrote: post #330

I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

While I personally have strong pro-choice views I think this was correctly decided for the reasons you state. Abortion is a case where there is genuine disagreement among the public and at its core exists a genuine moral question. Most partisans talk past each other, but the core of it is about the rights of the unborn and at which point that becomes relevant. It's different because of this from gay rights and contra…

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Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by lumost »

screye wrote: post #330

I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

It's not tenable to hang your fundamental rights as an individual on a political process. While it only takes one decision to remove a right, preserving the right becomes a constant, grueling battle. These legal protections are the sin-qua non of a functional democracy.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by lasc4r »

screye wrote: post #330

I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

>But, the Supreme Court should not be responsible for managing dysfunction in other branches of govt.

In a better system it shouldn't be, in the system we have really should be but isn't.

I have little doubt Clarence is only a little less crazy than his wife. Republicans put these people into positions of immense power. They might not have known how much power at the time, but they put shitty people in power for shitty reasons and they can now totally own that failure.

>Crazed jesus Republicans and hyperprogressive activists are terrible people to put into national office.

Got some enlightened centrism at work here. I'm willing to entertain that the left is way too woke, but they aren't sending crazy people to congress my dude.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by sudosysgen »

cryptonector wrote: post #565
blinkingled wrote: post #151

Biggest thing to me is the message this sends - that there is no settled law really - I think the notion that nothing is legally set in stone and change is only a relatively easy matter of installing supreme court justices siding with your beliefs - that's gotta have some chilling consequences down the line for the country as a whole. Greater progress requires building upon smaller progress, a settled foundation. If…

Plessy v. Ferguson was settled law. Until it wasn't. And it was rightly overturned after decades of injustice. I bet there were many in the 50s who cried about settled law. Basically, the stare decisis argument is very limited, and the best anyone can hope for is that stare decisis is time-limited. Plessy lasted 64 years, while Roe lasted 50. So stare decisis seems to mean "for a few decades", which I think is fair.…

Stare decisis is not a time limit. It just means there has to be a very good reason to overturn. There is no such reason to overturn Roe v Wade, which is obvious by the split in the ruling.

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Post by mariojv »

jetsnoc wrote: post #342

My great grandmother Julianna died in 1935 aborting herself with a coat hanger in Southern Idaho. She was born in 1915 and died in 1935. Twenty years old. I’m a fifth-generation Idahoan, my family moved to Idaho during the great Mormon exodus of Illinois. They were extremely impoverished. It was the Great Depression and in one of her letters, she writes about not even having the luxury of bone broth They were barely…

Thank you for writing this. I am a married gay man in Texas feeling all sorts of things similar to you are right now. The story about your great grandmother and your note about Thomas's opinion and your husband's visit to the ER hit hard.

Please keep telling people about your story and how these decisions affect you.

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Post by jhaenchen »

screye wrote: post #330

I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

The Supreme Court has allowed gerrymandering and dark money, both of which serve to make the American government completely unbeholden to their constituents. There is no recourse in the legislative branch as long as elections are decided by who writes the map and who pays for the ads.

And I’m not sure you don’t know that. I’m not sure that this ain’t a ploy. “States rights!” You say. “Solve it in the legislative!” You say. And when those efforts fail because the systems for choosing those representatives is rigged, what will you say? You will blame the voters. And all the whole more and more goes away and all the while you blame the voters.

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Post by dbsmith83 »

libraryatnight wrote: post #961
screye wrote: post #330

I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

You're the problem. Seriously. I mean no disrespect. But people like you are thought-experimenting our rights away. The women in my country are less free than they were yesterday. You're playing rhetorical games and sympathizing. One party tried to over turn a free and fair election. You probably say "both sides" to that, too. One party is trying to ban teaching any sort of realistic depiction of slavery in our histo…

Ah, just put anyone who disagrees with you into the "bad people box". You are the problem

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Post by keithalewis »

I find the whole matter insulting and demeaning toward women. They should, of course, have complete say over their body. They have control, except in the case of rape, over who they have sex with and whether or not they want to use contraceptives. Just like every person, they should be responsible and accoutable for their actions.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by shamiln »

michaelsbradley wrote: post #940

On the feast day of the Sacred Heart of Jesus in the Year of Our Lord 2022, a small but important victory in defense of the sanctity of human life and the dignity of every human person. Much of the good fight remains to be fought! Let us work diligently to greatly support and treasure – as individuals, local communities, and nations – every woman carrying an unborn child, and continue supporting them and their famili…

Then surely you support universal healthcare and right for that pregnancy to be terminated by cause if it harms another’s life.
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