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For natural theologians, proving God was beside the point

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Re: For natural theologians, proving God was beside the point

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Astrology is not a religion. It seems to me that it is just plain wrong science.

It is a believe. For most people religion is also just a believe

Then almost everything is religion. Even science, which is based on axioms. For example, in science we believe that nature is inteligible. This cannot be proven.

Re: For natural theologians, proving God was beside the point

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That is strange. There is no contradiction between Catholicism and science. Genesis is not a scientific book. It is not a scientific treatise on cosmology, at all.

Church teaching about Adam and Eve and sin?

Sin is not a scientific concept. The story of Adam and Eve is about the origin of sin. It is not a scientific theory. The Catholic Church does not deny the truth of scientific theories of evolution.

Re: For natural theologians, proving God was beside the point

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Church teaching about Adam and Eve and sin?

Sin is not a scientific concept. The story of Adam and Eve is about the origin of sin. It is not a scientific theory. The Catholic Church does not deny the truth of scientific theories of evolution.

How does the story about the origin of sin work without a primordial Adam and Eve?

Re: For natural theologians, proving God was beside the point

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What if it turns out that for many actions, the game-theoretically optimal strategy for the individual isn't optimal for the society, and people's gut instincts are reasonably close to game theoretic analysis? In other words, what if it turns out that it's really objectively best for society if everyone is tricked into being good?

Even for something as simple as the prisoner's dilemma, there's quite a bit of variety in both situations and agents, so how do you decide what the "optimal" game theoretic strategy is for actual people in much more complex situations in reality? I'm not sure that it's tricking people, because society is people. I mean, suppose that people aren't tricked into being good, and then society is worse off. How could every…

I'm talking about cases where society's best outcome isn't a Nash equilibrium, but due to deception about the rewards of different actions, the socially optimal solution appears to be a Nash equilibrium. Some citizens would be better off if they defected, and society worse off, but due to deception, they don't realize they'd be better off.

Re: For natural theologians, proving God was beside the point

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1. we are "computationally" equivalent to a turing machine: a tape with symbols on it and a head that reads and writes symbols to the tape according to rules. the natural generalization of a turing machine to infinity would be a hyper turing machine: an infinitely wide tape and infinitely many heads. i think language of "god" is mostly expressed in terms of infinities. e.g. pi (most infinite numbers are inexpressible…

No I don't believe any axioms and theorems should be infinitely long. If they were then there would not be enough time for us to understand them, or even read them through. Theorems which nobody can understand would not be useful for anything.

that's cuz we are computationally equivalent to a turing machine.

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Depends on which religion. Islam does: * https://quran.com/51/56 * https://quran.com/67/2 And more.

The Book of Isaiah says the same thing. That's not the point of either religion, and practitioners know this.

Your accusing Muslims of knowing that the point of religion is something different from what the Quran says? That's quite brazen.
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