I've tended to respect the USSC most of my life. No longer. This sickening retrograde decision bodes much ill for Freedom. Coming at a time when we're already reeling from the after-effects of multiple blows, shows how little empathy the court can feel and how little it cares for majority opinion. What grievous suffering will it inflict next? What is the aim, if not the tragic end of a once-great story?
Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade
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#932I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…
> The jaded side of me says: vote in more moderates that are willing to strike compromises How do you compromise on issues like same sex marriage? It's pretty binary: gay people have the same rights as straight people, or they don't. With Justice Thomas's suggestion to relitigate Obergefell, this is exactly where we stand.
Thomas is champing at the bit to overturn gay marriage, civil rights, and other civil liberty guarantees. He has indicated as much in his writings.
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#933Separate abortion from Roe v. Wade. The big challenge has been that Roe v. Wade was horribly decided. Even RBG thought so. Roe v wade gave the Supreme Court the right to make law without reference to any text in the constitution. Casey tried to change the justification but it still was a disaster. Sadly it is far from the only time the Supreme Court has made things up out of whole cloth that has had massive societal…
From 2008-2010, the Democratic party had the chance to enshrine abortion into the law of the land. They even had a perfect vehicle, the ACA, in which to do it, since it already dealt with healthcare rules. They declined.
~25% of House Dems crossed the aisle to vote on a Republican amendment to the ACA to ban federal funding of abortion[1]. While that specific amendment failed in the Senate, it still forced a handshake deal that Obama would issue an EO to that effect.
It seems very unlikely that the ACA could have been passed if it enshrined abortion rights.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupak%E2%80%93Pitts_Amendment
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#934I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…
> States rights has always been a double edged sword. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The same state rights that allow gun control and homosexuality to be locally legalized before national concensus; also now lead to abortion legislation being a state issue. Except when the same court in the same week strikes down a state law that makes it marginally more effort to carry a concealed weapon in public.
Don't forget them making a decision to force Maine to pay for religious indoctrination "schools".
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#935I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…
While I personally have strong pro-choice views I think this was correctly decided for the reasons you state. Abortion is a case where there is genuine disagreement among the public and at its core exists a genuine moral question. Most partisans talk past each other, but the core of it is about the rights of the unborn and at which point that becomes relevant. It's different because of this from gay rights and contra…
In European democracies - typically not dominated by bible thumping Republicans - these things have been decided democratically, like any other law.
As a result abortion is a very minor political issue. Some people want more or less restrictions, and occasionally rules get adjusted.
If the Supreme Court hadn't suddenly decided to commandeer this issue in 1973, I think the US could also have been like that, and hopefully after a few dramatic years we can get there.
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#936I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…
FIRST: If SCOTUS should stay out of big, divisive cultural decisions, then they should do it point-forward and not by hopping right back in the fray. SECOND: Abortion is seen as a fundamental right for womens' health, and there are many documented reasons for getting abortion that are not merely "convenience". There are things which should not be prohibited by the democratic process, since they are human rights. THIR…
Requires either 50 states to change state law, or 3/4 of the states to ratify a federal constitutional amendment. And any of these requires the cooperation of the two parties to make it happen, or voting in their replacements. So it's a really tough nut to crack. It's hard to change the constitution. If 85% of the country had any damn idea how the current system works let alone a modern alternative, it would be straight forward but they don't. And any states that think they will lose their inflated advantage will refuse to cooperate.
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#938Separate abortion from Roe v. Wade. The big challenge has been that Roe v. Wade was horribly decided. Even RBG thought so. Roe v wade gave the Supreme Court the right to make law without reference to any text in the constitution. Casey tried to change the justification but it still was a disaster. Sadly it is far from the only time the Supreme Court has made things up out of whole cloth that has had massive societal…
From 2008-2010, the Democratic party had the chance to enshrine abortion into the law of the land. They even had a perfect vehicle, the ACA, in which to do it, since it already dealt with healthcare rules. They declined.
This came up in another discussion a month or so ago, and I did some checking:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31484169
In short, this is not true. There was a brief window where they might have had 60 votes in the Senate to overcome a filibuster, but it's unlikely for a divisive partisan issue like this one. And they didn't have a 60% majority in the House anyway.
To put it very bluntly, the lack of action we've seen from Democratic Party majorities in recent history is very likely because they knew they couldn't pass legislation over Republican opposition. Sure, you can frame it as 'they declined', but that's an uncharitable oversimplification.
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#939I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…
> It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. Speaking as an outsider on American politics, it seems to me that it won't be figured out democratically. If it was done democratically, on a nationwide vote, abortion would easily stay legal. What will actually happen is that the decision will be referred to states, where government is elected on sma…
I don’t believe that’s accurate. The Congress is already talking about passing nationwide legislation to protect the right to abortion. Such legislation would still be constitutional even after this decision.
Having said that, I think national legislation is probably not the most effective way forward for the pro-choice movement. All that will do is continue to galvanize the pro life side.
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#940On the feast day of the Sacred Heart of Jesus in the Year of Our Lord 2022, a small but important victory in defense of the sanctity of human life and the dignity of every human person.
Much of the good fight remains to be fought!
Let us work diligently to greatly support and treasure – as individuals, local communities, and nations – every woman carrying an unborn child, and continue supporting them and their families as they raise those children to join us as mature brothers and sisters in human society.