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Nonprofit boards are weird

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Re: Nonprofit boards are weird

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In my experience there are two types of boards in the for-profit space. If the company bootstrapped itself to profitability without taking any or very much investment, and especially not taking investment from experienced investors, the board will be a bunch of friends of the CEO who rubber-stamp everything.

For companies that either are already public or are in the pipeline of venture capital start up to acquisition or i p o, the board dynamics can be very interesting and well dynamic.

The main difference is that in this case the people who sit on the board, the startup founder CEO usually, and representatives of the various investor groups, have usually done this before and have a play book. Their objective is to maximize the return on their investment, and that's what they do professionally.

Unfortunately, in my experience, in spite of the fact that this should result in a much more functional and experienced Board of directors, somehow things still end up getting pretty weird in a lot of cases. It mostly comes down to Ego and head games various directors seam inclined to play, often having to do with previous interactions or rivalries between investor groups. Also, CEOs are often cut from a certain type of personality cloth that plays into this gamesmanship. I'm not talking about the founder CEO , I'm talking about the CEO that was brought in to scale the company up and prepare it for acquisition or public markets. He ( it's almost always a he) needs to think about his own career, especially if things aren't going as well as everybody would like to think they are. It often boils down to a game of prisoner's dilemma.

When this sort of thing gets out of hand, it can begin to feel like some sort of five dimensional poker game where you don't even know the rules. A bit like the game Mao if anyone remembers that.

Re: Nonprofit boards are weird

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I would add that the probability of a task getting done, is inversely proportional to the distance between the people deciding about the task and the people who will actually do it. Since the board members are almost never the people implementing the decisions, the plan is much less likely to get executed. The decision needs buy-in from the CEO and then the employees. Since the board members don't spend much time wit…

Usually the Executive Director is making decisions for the organization, not the board. They are getting approval on their high-level strategy and budget from the board, but all of the day-to-day decisions lie with them.

Re: Nonprofit boards are weird

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

much like a startup, the key thing to understand about non-profit boards is that the board members' primary job is to fundraise (directly or indirectly) and secondarily to make productive introductions (donors, partners, 'customers', funding organizations, etc.). a distant (but not insignificant) third is strategic direction, which is often what we imagine board members do, but that's a relatively minor part of the r…

"that the board members' primary job is to fundraise ... and secondarily to make productive introductions...." Although this is a common structure and plan, there are plenty of nonprofits structured differently than this--especially if the nonprofit is small and has only one or two employees, or maybe none at all. In which case the board does work on the ground.

right, that's the "operational input", in case that wasn't clear.

Re: Nonprofit boards are weird

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The assumption that boards aren't engaged seems really strange to me. Of the two nonprofit boards I've been on (one very well functioning, one not so much), both have had highly engaged board members. He also seems to be assuming mid-sized or larger nonprofits. For nonprofits with very few employees, or low budgets, board members often are brought in for their expertise, and their willingness to get in and do the wor…

I was involved with a non-profit with a low-eight-figure (USD) budget. The board members were chosen because they either had money or had influence over people with money. In other words, busy people. Over the years the CEO reduced the amount of information that got to the board, in part by replacing competent staff with lackeys, and the reality of the organization diverged ever further from the stated objectives and value.

Re: Nonprofit boards are weird

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The assumption that boards aren't engaged seems really strange to me. Of the two nonprofit boards I've been on (one very well functioning, one not so much), both have had highly engaged board members. He also seems to be assuming mid-sized or larger nonprofits. For nonprofits with very few employees, or low budgets, board members often are brought in for their expertise, and their willingness to get in and do the wor…

My main contact there is talking to a lawyer experienced in non-profits, and she said that, actually, the board should NOT have all employees on it.

Re: Nonprofit boards are weird

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The assumption that boards aren't engaged seems really strange to me. Of the two nonprofit boards I've been on (one very well functioning, one not so much), both have had highly engaged board members. He also seems to be assuming mid-sized or larger nonprofits. For nonprofits with very few employees, or low budgets, board members often are brought in for their expertise, and their willingness to get in and do the wor…

> He also seems to be assuming mid-sized or larger nonprofits

I think that's it in a nutshell. Or super ambitious nonprofits gunning for Effective Altruist funding by having the most Silicon Valley approach to operating and expanding possible.

In the rest of the nonprofit world, the board member with the legal background is there for legal advice, the one with the media background to help promote its work; if both of them think performance metrics is one for the board member with the accountancy background to look into rather than for them to study and challenge, that's fine And firing the CEO (an experienced middle manager who took a massive pay cut to get involved) for not hitting KPIs is wayyy down the list of useful things they could be doing

Re: Nonprofit boards are weird

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I have served on a lot of private company boards (VC-backed companies) as well as a mnumber of non-profit boards. I agree with the sentiment that non-profit boards are weird, and I have found them significantly less productive than for-profit boards. Comparing for-profit and non-profit boards, I see several key drivers of non-profit weirdness:

* Definition of success: With for-profit boards, there is a clear shared view of what the long-term goal is: value creation for shareholders. While there are lots of healthy debates about how that is accomplished, they are all in the context of the same goal. With a non-profit, each board member may have their own view of what the org is ultimately trying to accomplish. Further, these differing views may never be surfaced in open conversation, leading to people talking past each other a lot.

* Incentives: Related to a shared view of success is the issue of incentive. Many private company board members are shareholders and have a clear financial incentive to make the company successful. I won't go so far as to say this creates accountability, but it does serve as a clear motivator to be engaged. Non-profit directors have nothing at stake that creates an incentive for engagement. If anything the incentive may be a friendship with other directors or the ED, in which case, the incentive is to maintain the relationship with that person rather than do what is best for the org (a common cause of dysfunction). This is a particularly acute problem when it comes to the most important issue a board can face: when and whether to replace a CEO. Most non-profit board members have no incentive, or a negative incentive, to engage in such a difficult conversation.

* Size: Non-profit boards are often very large (10+ people), while private company boards are usually 5-7 people. Size makes everything harder, and leads to fewer meetings, less discussion, and less engagement.

* Skill sets: Non-profit directors are often recruited with the primary goal of fundraising. They often have little to no board experience and may not have any experience with governance of an organization of any size in either a director or executive capacity. In my experience, even the ability to read simple financial statements is rare, much less the ability to think strategically about where to take an organization or how to scale it.

Re: Nonprofit boards are weird

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I do grant writing for nonprofits, public agencies, and some research-based businesses. Many if not most nonprofits only operate through the will of a single person (usually the executive director) or small number of people, and this can remain true even in nonprofits with eight-figure budgets. In HN terms, startups don't have strong boards either, because startups only have a small number of people working at or in…

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Re: Nonprofit boards are weird

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I think the weirdest thing about non-profit boards is that people in general pay (in the form of donations) to be on them, as opposed to for profit boards where the money flows the opposite way. Much of the interaction between the board and management is designed to keep the donations coming, which can create a real conflict between good governance and financial stability.

Indeed, someone I know who was on an arts group board said that his main job was fundraising. Something I'm not even a little bit interested in doing.

Re: Nonprofit boards are weird

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If someone is a board member for few non-profits, is it hard to make the jump into for profit companies? If a for profit compaby goes belly up, do the board members suffer any real consequences, apart from perhaps not being invited into other boards?

An opportunity for me to not hijack the conversation! You brought up for-profit boards! OK, a pet peeve.

They don't seem to suffer any consequences, and yet they really should. Let's look at Yahoo [1]. This is not just a story of Yahoo losing a technology race. It's a story of an incompetent board. The race was already over in 2008:

> Yahoo had a chance to sell for $44.6 billion in early 2008, when Microsoft made an unsolicited offer.

They turned it down. 8 years later:

> Today, Verizon said it is buying Yahoo’s core businesses for $4.83 billion.

So, instead of taking 44 billion when it was offered, they ran it down to less than 5.

[1] https://qz.com/741056/the-stunning-collapse-of-yahoos-valuat...

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