The mid 2030s and 2040s will be the years of crime. That's when all the unwanted kids will "grow up" without affection.
Looks at racial break-down of abortions. Rereads parent comment.
Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade
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#302State rights baby!!!!!!!
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#303Scientists have shirked their responsibility around abortion. The vacuum and silence around this topic helped push towards this day. The "viability" debate, or the re-branded "when does this ball of cells become a person" debate, has been monopolized by philosophers and religious people. And as a result many women will die due to botched abortions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerri_Santoro or the inability to get on…
None of this matters because the majority (probably overwhelming majority) of pro-life people also don't believe settled science like evolution or that the earth is more than 6000 years old. If we can't reach consensus on those things, how is telling someone that believes a zygote has a human soul that its okay because it isn't conscious? Keep in mind that the protections provided by Roe and PP v. Casey only extended…
Absolutely. No scientist was going to be able to convince these people that their pastor is wrong about how precious a fetus is.
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#304It's depressing to watch the USA continually fail to keep up with the progress of other first world countries. Often times even taking steps backwards like this. There are so many actual issues deserving of this attention. In what universe is removing rights a priority?
You are aware that the US position was maximalist and far in excess of all but 4 European states?
Or that this doesn't actually make abortion illegal?
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#305Looking at this ruling and the one a few days ago on arms - could someone explain to me why they're wrong legally? FYI I'm not American and personally am in favour of legalised abortion + severe gun restrictions. My understanding is these rulings are both based on the constitution. The one on guns seems really straightforward: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of th…
> ""A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I think was this was meant to mean was: Any citizen has the right to join their local/state militia, and keep their service rifle and uniform with them at home.
The militia is defined in both statutory and common law as essentially every able-bodied male, and always has been in the US. The statutory law explicitly recognizes that the militia is not something you "join" but is something you are.
Obviously this should probably be expanded to include women generally, but their 2nd Amendment rights are not predicated on their membership in the militia.
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#306The thing about abortion that most people seem not to understand is that the debate is fundamentally about answering "when does human life start?". One side believes it starts at conception, which equates any abortion with murder. The other side believes it starts at some point after that, which makes abortion up to that point a women's health / rights issue. Irreconcilable, but also toxic when the two sides never ta…
There is no answer of "when life begins". It's a game of semantics. Like Diogenes bringing a chicken to Plato, any set of traits you can give me to define life, I can find an exception that destroys your definition.
Therefore the question should be "when is it ethical to terminate a fetus". Pro-choice voters have different answers for this question. The problem is pro-life hardliners who refuse to play ball whatsoever. They believe life begins at conception with no basis other than religion.
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#307This is a good occasion to remember that most people in the US thinks that abortion should be legal [0], thus this decision purely appeals the white evangelical minority. [0] https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opini...
Do you have stats on views of abortion by trimester? Here's [0] one from last year, which finds that 54% of people think third trimester abortions should be illegal in all cases - (EDIT: presumably) including health of the mother - and 65% think most or all abortions should be illegal in the second trimester.
0: https://apnews.com/article/only-on-ap-us-supreme-court-abort...
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#308I work for a company, headquartered in the Mid West, that has been very public in their support of LGBTQ rights, among other things. Do you think corporations should take a public stance in support of abortion rights? Will tech companies continue to flock to Texas, in what will become a very difficult environment for abortion?
> Do you think corporations should take a public stance in support of abortion rights? Some companies have even gone so far as paying for abortions. That's disgusting. It reveals that The Man doesn't want women's productivity to go down and would rather work them to the bone instead. Out of the kitchen and into the office? That might be a bad deal.
> Some companies have even gone so far as paying for abortions. That's disgusting. It reveals that The Man doesn't want women's productivity to go down and would rather work them to the bone instead. Out of the kitchen and into the office? Might be a bad deal.
Or it could reveal that abortions, even in the best circumstances, cost money -- time off of work and travel expenses for example. Perhaps these companies support women having access to it regardless of their economic status.
It'll blow your mind, but some companies even allow employees time off to vote in elections, partially for the same reasons.
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#309This is the final chapter of a decade-long saga which basically boils down to the Republicans obtaining votes from Evangelicals and other Christian denominations in order to give them what they wanted. In exchange for that, they would use their power to cut taxes, regulations and let the riches become richer and richer at the expense of everyone else. I hope that whomever supported this ruling is happy right now, and…
> Jesus Christ never gave to abortion the slightest mention That is misrepresenting the argument. There's a lot of people that believe that abortion is the killing of a human being. And killing another human being is, most definitely, on the list of "bad things" for every flavor of Christianity. For a lot of them, killing one human being (not in self defense) to save another is still on that list; because only God is…
And it's the current Supreme Court's prerogative to establish that specific religion, and forbid religious practice of, say, Judaism where the life of child and mother are weighed compassionately and abortions are permitted in certain cases.
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#310Looking at this ruling and the one a few days ago on arms - could someone explain to me why they're wrong legally? FYI I'm not American and personally am in favour of legalised abortion + severe gun restrictions. My understanding is these rulings are both based on the constitution. The one on guns seems really straightforward: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of th…
> I know this can be interpreted differently
You answered your own question. It's the interpretation that matters. The Supreme Court is a joke.
Political debates have not been done in good faith in the US for decades. It's no longer about the people - it's about fooling the people into getting amped up about things and voting one way or the other. It's like a wrestling match. Does it really matter who wins if it's all fake? Actually I take this back: being a wrestler actually needs some sort of prep and physical conditioning. Wrestling is better than politics.