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Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by rvz »

kryogen1c wrote: post #132

What a disappointing showing from HN. 120 comments and so little substantive discussion or truth-searching. Everyone rushing to share their feelings and no one trying listen. I have thoughts I'd like to discuss, but apparently this isn't the place to do it.

> Everyone rushing to share their feelings and no one trying listen.

There you go.

It is also quite clear that the Supreme Court of the United States doesn't care about their feelings. All you get here is reactionary takes, outrage, screeching and a mixture of trillions of emotions on display.

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Post by chx »

On Jun 6, this blog post was written https://medium.com/eudaimonia-co/how-america-collapsed-and-b... describing how the three-world split post World War II became a four-world-split now. You have Western social democracies as first, Russia and China on the wings as second, developing as third and the two fallen countries being USA and UK as fourth. Worse than the third. The trajectory is not upwards but down. This is but another step ... down. More will follow. And no, voting won't save you for multiple reasons: one, Democrats won both chambers of Congress and the White House and look what they have achieved. Two, Republicans are relentlessly rigging the vote. Three, soon they won't accept the results anyways.

All this to say: flee if you can.

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Post by InTheArena »

shagmin wrote: post #162
luckystarr wrote: post #58

The mid 2030s and 2040s will be the years of crime. That's when all the unwanted kids will "grow up" without affection.

For anyone interested, the book Freakonomics had a chapter devoted to studying this as a factor that lead crime to drop from its peak in the early 90s US, approximately 20 years after Roe v Wade. Kind of a provocative study and you could make a similar case for leaded gasoline and other factors but nevertheless interesting.

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Post by LatteLazy »

lesstyzing wrote: post #154

Looking at this ruling and the one a few days ago on arms - could someone explain to me why they're wrong legally? FYI I'm not American and personally am in favour of legalised abortion + severe gun restrictions. My understanding is these rulings are both based on the constitution. The one on guns seems really straightforward: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of th…

People hate to admit it but the court is just another political entity and always has been. The basis for Roe was weak (bodily autonomy, privacy). So is the basis for literally all gun control:

>> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

So anyone, including children, the insane, felons etc has a right to bear "arms". And there is no clear limit to say that a gun is "arms" but a kilo of C4 or a ground-air missile launcher or a fully armed attack helicopter is not. In fact, in 2022 any militia that could be even slightly useful will need at least some air support. Yet SCOTUS has routinely banned these items from personal procession.

I say this not because I am some crazy gun nut or I think that those an actual right to bear arms would be a good idea.

I say it to point out that the courts job was always to rule what people wanted and what was practical was also legal. Just like a politicians job is.

Actually arguing actual constitutionality is a red herring. A lawyer's job is to find a loophole and all judges start as lawyers...

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Post by lom888 »

thriftwy wrote: post #26

(edited) It's not like you had any more urgent issues than this? That move greatly reinforces Galkovsky's position that USA is now a Latin American country not unlike Brazil; and indeed, Latin American countries also deeply care about this (non)issue and have abortion laws inappropriate to their general level of economical and human development. The problem being, at least Brazil recognizes that it is Brazil and know…

I wish we saw more comparison between the US and Latin America in online discourse. There is an excess of references and analogies made to the emotionally salient topics of the US Civil War, the Civil rights period and Europe from 1918 to 1945 when discussing the current American situation and a dearth of comparison to Latin America. The frequent comparison of Trump to a dictator instead of to a populist president in the Latin American mold is an example.

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lesstyzing wrote: post #154

Looking at this ruling and the one a few days ago on arms - could someone explain to me why they're wrong legally? FYI I'm not American and personally am in favour of legalised abortion + severe gun restrictions. My understanding is these rulings are both based on the constitution. The one on guns seems really straightforward: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of th…

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Post by madeofpalk »

lesstyzing wrote: post #154

Looking at this ruling and the one a few days ago on arms - could someone explain to me why they're wrong legally? FYI I'm not American and personally am in favour of legalised abortion + severe gun restrictions. My understanding is these rulings are both based on the constitution. The one on guns seems really straightforward: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of th…

> You should be able to trust a court to make a decision based on the law, not their personal preferences.

The role of a court is to interpret law. While not preference, but "opinion" is entirely the point of a court.

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Post by pmoriarty »

qalmakka wrote: post #64

This is the final chapter of a decade-long saga which basically boils down to the Republicans obtaining votes from Evangelicals and other Christian denominations in order to give them what they wanted. In exchange for that, they would use their power to cut taxes, regulations and let the riches become richer and richer at the expense of everyone else. I hope that whomever supported this ruling is happy right now, and…

"I guess they do care about putting woman back in the kitchen as indentured servants more than they do about social justice"

Just poor women. Rich women will still be able to travel out of state (and out of country, if need be) to get an abortion.

They'll also be able to hire a maid, cook, and nurse to do all their household chores for them.

It's the poor who will be most screwed, as usual.

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Post by mythrwy »

lawn wrote: post #52

There's this belief that society always moves in a "forward/upward" directory, where we become more advanced, more enlightened and more moral. But this is not the case and sometimes we regress.

Ya that's a really good point and I think about it often.

Look at Iraq, the cradle of civilization, the seat of Babylon. And Egypt. And even Greece to an extent. Former glories of the world but they aren't the most glorious places in the world now.

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