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Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by DesiLurker »

ncallaway wrote: post #80
jjgreen wrote: post #10

The day that the coat-hanger became a medical instrument (again).

We very thankfully have more options for women that are much safer than coat hangers. There are drugs that will allow women to have illegal abortions that are much much safer than a coat hanger. The important factor will be finding ways to get such drugs to women in states where they cannot be legally used, and ensuring that such a delivery mechanism delivers safe, and authentic drugs.

so basically corner meth dealers will now deliver abortion pills? IDK if thats gonna last, because you know we can always police the drugs out of the system.

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Post by kgwxd »

dimator wrote: post #62

The real question is, what kind of draconian laws will they start hatching to make abortion tourism (flying to a state where it's legal, then coming back) illegal. How do you legislate that? Are people still free to go to another state if they want? Are they getting arrested as soon as they come back? The next case they'll hear is about Mississippi v Some Nonprofit That Pays For Abortion Flights.

My guess is they'll try to outlaw home pregnancy test and start requiring doctors to report any positives. Wouldn't be surprised if someone already tried to pass such a bill somewhere.

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Post by spacemadness »

ben7799 wrote: post #189
qalmakka wrote: post #64

This is the final chapter of a decade-long saga which basically boils down to the Republicans obtaining votes from Evangelicals and other Christian denominations in order to give them what they wanted. In exchange for that, they would use their power to cut taxes, regulations and let the riches become richer and richer at the expense of everyone else. I hope that whomever supported this ruling is happy right now, and…

I would be curious if this decision hurts the Republicans going forward. Religious Americans essentially held their noses to vote for Republicans just to get this issue rammed in. Now that they have gotten what they wanted, are they still going to vote for Republicans with the same transactional decision process? Or are they now going to say the Republicans can no longer offer them anything additional and now the pro…

Where are you getting that religious Americans held their noses to vote Republican? That is not the mental model I have of people religious enough to ban abortion.

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Post by mywittyname »

deviantbit wrote: post #178

Everyone is acting like this banned abortion, which it didn't. It is up to the state you live in. If you don't like the state's laws, then move. If you don't want to move, then when you get pregnant, go to a state where it is legal. American's cannot be inconvenienced. These 1st world problems are terrible.

> go to a state where it is legal.

Except there are laws that allow one state to prosecute abortions in another. And SCOTUS will absolutely uphold these laws. They've already upheld the right for private citizens to sue people that they believe have had one.

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Post by lp0_on_fire »

fhkatari wrote: post #59

I work for a company, headquartered in the Mid West, that has been very public in their support of LGBTQ rights, among other things. Do you think corporations should take a public stance in support of abortion rights? Will tech companies continue to flock to Texas, in what will become a very difficult environment for abortion?

>Do you think corporations should take a public stance in support of abortion rights?

No. We already have enough corporate influence in the political sphere.

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Post by sandworm101 »

voisin wrote: post #88
qalmakka wrote: post #64

This is the final chapter of a decade-long saga which basically boils down to the Republicans obtaining votes from Evangelicals and other Christian denominations in order to give them what they wanted. In exchange for that, they would use their power to cut taxes, regulations and let the riches become richer and richer at the expense of everyone else. I hope that whomever supported this ruling is happy right now, and…

> I hope that whomever supported this ruling is happy right now, and I'd like to remind them that, while Jesus Christ never gave to abortion the slightest mention, he was quite vocal about the fact that greed was not compatible with salvation. I'd like to see Evangelicals and other Christians being as vocal for social justice as they were for abortions and same sex marriage, but I guess they do care more about puttin…

>> It isn’t about religion. It’s about power and control.

The difference? Politics and religion are both about controlling the actions of people. It may be done for good or ill, but it is always about control.

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Post by pmdulaney »

voisin wrote: post #88
qalmakka wrote: post #64

This is the final chapter of a decade-long saga which basically boils down to the Republicans obtaining votes from Evangelicals and other Christian denominations in order to give them what they wanted. In exchange for that, they would use their power to cut taxes, regulations and let the riches become richer and richer at the expense of everyone else. I hope that whomever supported this ruling is happy right now, and…

> I hope that whomever supported this ruling is happy right now, and I'd like to remind them that, while Jesus Christ never gave to abortion the slightest mention, he was quite vocal about the fact that greed was not compatible with salvation. I'd like to see Evangelicals and other Christians being as vocal for social justice as they were for abortions and same sex marriage, but I guess they do care more about puttin…

Yes, it is about power and control in the same way that society's prevention of the sexual abuse of children is about power and control. That's what laws are about: power and control.

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Post by InTheArena »

motive wrote: post #223
lesstyzing wrote: post #154

Looking at this ruling and the one a few days ago on arms - could someone explain to me why they're wrong legally? FYI I'm not American and personally am in favour of legalised abortion + severe gun restrictions. My understanding is these rulings are both based on the constitution. The one on guns seems really straightforward: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of th…

Regarding guns, the dissent argues that “well-regulated” and “militia” are key components of the text. The applicants for concealed carry were not part of a militia, and the current court doesn’t seem to acknowledge the “well-regulated” piece exists at all. With regard to abortion, the constitution guarantees us a right to privacy, which is closely linked to bodily autonomy. The argument being that there is constitut…

Except there isn't a explicit right to privacy either in the constitution or the bill of rights. Which is why RBG always argued that Roe v. Wade was poorly decided.

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Post by [deleted] »

cm277 wrote: post #106

It hurts me to say this, but American democracy is broken. Checks and balances have been twisted to subvert true democratic rule. We should stop worshipping the Founders and their intent, and aim for a Second American Republic, built around the tested and true practices of mature European republics (that have done a lot more revisions than our 1.0.33 release...): - Parliamentary democracy, two chambered if need be, w…

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Post by ceilingcorner »

krnlpnc wrote: post #129

It's depressing to watch the USA continually fail to keep up with the progress of other first world countries. Often times even taking steps backwards like this. There are so many actual issues deserving of this attention. In what universe is removing rights a priority?

Most other first world nations have more restrictive laws on abortion. Yes, even Western Europe.
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