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Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

#201

How is this seen like it's the end of the world? Just vote with the people that won't ban abortion.

In many states that has no effect whatsoever because district boundaries have been gerrymandered to ensure that the party that favors banning abortion will not lose control of the legislature.

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#202

Looking at this ruling and the one a few days ago on arms - could someone explain to me why they're wrong legally? FYI I'm not American and personally am in favour of legalised abortion + severe gun restrictions. My understanding is these rulings are both based on the constitution. The one on guns seems really straightforward: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of th…

> Regarding abortion, what aspect of the constitution would cover it?

The Roe case hinged on abortion being a right under privacy right. It was a very weak argument and even Ruth Bader Ginsberg (a very left leaning justice who died recently) didnt like that reasoning and thought it was weak: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/05/06/ruth-bader...

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

#203

Everyone is acting like this banned abortion, which it didn't. It is up to the state you live in. If you don't like the state's laws, then move. If you don't want to move, then when you get pregnant, go to a state where it is legal. American's cannot be inconvenienced. These 1st world problems are terrible.

That's the whole problem though, many Americans can't afford to move or even travel to another state for an abortion.

And there's nothing stopping states from criminalizing traveling out of state for an abortion.

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#204
I hate that even following supposed liberation we still feel we have the right to police vaginas and reproductive systems.

I also hate that the pro-bodily freedom Americans have spent 50 years ignoring the shaky constitutional ground upon which this fundamental right lies.

The right wing ghouls are ultimately responsible, but I also heap scorn on the Democrats who failed to solidify the right to abortion in law.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

#205

Looking at this ruling and the one a few days ago on arms - could someone explain to me why they're wrong legally? FYI I'm not American and personally am in favour of legalised abortion + severe gun restrictions. My understanding is these rulings are both based on the constitution. The one on guns seems really straightforward: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of th…

> ""A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I think was this was meant to mean was: Any citizen has the right to join their local/state militia, and keep their service rifle and uniform with them at home.

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"In a solo concurring opinion, Thomas says the court should reconsider rulings that protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage." https://twitter.com/fordm/status/1540338064324698112

These are next up on the chopping block and the same logic used to overturn Roe v Wade can be used to overturn those. Thomas is merely voicing that reality instead of playing coy like other reactionary justices.

There are, IIRC, forced sterilization laws that depended on RvW, so perhaps those are back in fashion too.

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#207

This is the final chapter of a decade-long saga which basically boils down to the Republicans obtaining votes from Evangelicals and other Christian denominations in order to give them what they wanted. In exchange for that, they would use their power to cut taxes, regulations and let the riches become richer and richer at the expense of everyone else. I hope that whomever supported this ruling is happy right now, and…

My understanding is that abortion is a major social justice issue for Christians. So you would want to engage with them on their social justice priorities and strategies, finding overlap, and so forth. At least that’s how I approach these dialogues regarding policies of lower levels of government.

Why is there never an expectation that Christian’s engage in dialogue and civility about this issue? There is never a demand they convince the pro choice people just that they be allowed to control and threaten them. Calls for dialogue are just part of the intentional narrative created to undermine peoples rights.

Rights do not necessitate dialogue.

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#209
post #99

I'm tired of having the minority religious and bigoted views dominate politics and starve us of progress. Regardless of what the "right" ruling is on the law, or the roles of the different branches of government, the practical impact of this ruling is millions of Americans denied the right to healthcare while simultaneously being denied free access to any democratic process to secure it.

>> I'm tired of having the minority religious and bigoted views dominate politics and starve us of progress.

Is it minority views? Surely, when it comes down to states legislating this, people can make their opinion heard at the ballet box. And if a majority of people in a state vote conservative and abortion is restricted then we are legislating based on the wants of the majority. It will be interesting to see if this is an important enough issue for some conservative voters to swing them (and states) to the democrats.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

#210

Looking at this ruling and the one a few days ago on arms - could someone explain to me why they're wrong legally? FYI I'm not American and personally am in favour of legalised abortion + severe gun restrictions. My understanding is these rulings are both based on the constitution. The one on guns seems really straightforward: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of th…

> "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

> I know this can be interpreted differently but to me it reads that nobody should be restricted from arming themselves.

Sure was interpreted differently when black people started carrying in public! [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

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