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Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by EEBio »

y42 wrote: post #429
m3adow wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you still have to provide a cookie banner as soon as your analytics are storing cookies, even if it's your own?

> Don't you still have to provide a cookie banner as soon as your analytics are storing cookies, even if it's your own? You need consent for every kind of storage usage on client side if you create profiles to analyze the them for marketing goals. If not, and no PII is being processed, no consent is required. Eg you could easily aggregate your server logs without a consent.

You generally don't need a consent for gathering data that is required to run the site.

But if you use the data for analytics purposes, you do need the users' consent for that, even if it's the same data that you use for operational purposes.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by realusername »

toyg wrote: post #459
realusername wrote: post #416

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That decision is on the US, once the cloud act will be removed, those services will be legal again

Before the CLOUD Act there was the PATRIOT Act, which had effectively the same provisions. These things have not been legal since the GDPR went into effect, and in some countries even before then.

Oh yeah sure, that also would not work with the patriot act.

To be compliant with the GDPR, the US needs data laws which only affects citizens on their own soil and not overreaching to EU citizens.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by hef19898 »

justinclift wrote: post #439
lovich wrote: post #249

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The Italian market doesn’t have to apply to Google USA either. Companies can always choose to ignore a specific nation’s laws[1], they don’t still get access to that nations markets. At the borders the nation state is the one with the guns and firewalls [1] unless you piss off a nation that can project global power, lol if you piss off China or America

First time I've heard of China projecting "global power". Are there cases of it happening?

All over Africa, in a more heo political sense. Also along the new silk road all the way to Europe. Just to name two.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by hef19898 »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #428

I'd be terrified if I was a EU company at this point. There is not logically way these same rules don't apply to using AWS, GCP, and Azure. There isn't enough other cloud hosting with nearly the same capabilities in Europe to handle that day.

There seems to be a difference between "B2C" stuff like ad tech and tracking and "B2B" like AWS. The latter seems to be more eager to be compliant, I assume only to prevent local / regional competitors to fill a gap but still. Plus all the nice public contracts to be had.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by hef19898 »

cm2012 wrote: post #280
jimnotgym wrote: post #226

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Isn't this an opportunity for EU startups? By choosing to enforce the law on US companies that EU companies are already generally very compliant with, surely the EU has levelled the playing field for EU companies?

A little advantage for EU analytics startups, disadvantage for all other EU startups and SMBs who have less options for figuring out what users like about their website and offerings.

Assuming any of that actually helps to grow revenue, or that it is the only way to find out what your users want. Plus, GDPR isn't making tracking illegal in general, it is just heavily regulating it. If it was just properly enforced, the internet would be a much nicer place...

Side note, I'm slowly getting tired of people ignoring regulations and compliance simply out of laziness.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by hef19898 »

realusername wrote: post #462
toyg wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before the CLOUD Act there was the PATRIOT Act, which had effectively the same provisions. These things have not been legal since the GDPR went into effect, and in some countries even before then.

Oh yeah sure, that also would not work with the patriot act. To be compliant with the GDPR, the US needs data laws which only affects citizens on their own soil and not overreaching to EU citizens.

And we all know that this will never ever happen.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by lovich »

justinclift wrote: post #439
lovich wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Italian market doesn’t have to apply to Google USA either. Companies can always choose to ignore a specific nation’s laws[1], they don’t still get access to that nations markets. At the borders the nation state is the one with the guns and firewalls [1] unless you piss off a nation that can project global power, lol if you piss off China or America

First time I've heard of China projecting "global power". Are there cases of it happening?

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1714248/more-chinese....

Chinese and American police forces both operate abroad and like to flex their power. The NYPD was in a similar situation post 9/11 when they started trying to police nearby states and when they sent operatives to other countries even against their own federal government [1].

Russias also sent operatives overseas in some fairly public assassinations. It’s not really surprising that China does this, it appears to be the default operating procedure of powerful countries

[1] http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/the-stream/the-stre...

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by iakov »

alexklarjr wrote: post #438
suction wrote: post #432

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As an EU citizen, I find it to be a huge improvement to detangle my data from US-American entities. Especially with the election of Trump and January 6th. Maybe Americans haven't fully realized what that meant for US-EU relations for the next hundreds of years. The US is just not a politically stable country until further notice.

since when EU became politically stable? Last time i checked you were at war with Russia.

You are demonstrating the level of geographical and political knowledge that people expect from americans. I hope this is satire.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by lovich »

clairity wrote: post #316
wutbrodo wrote: post #283

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None of the lines of reasoning were an ad hominem. From your other comment[1], it seems like you think "ad hominem" just means "being rude to someone". I recommend reading the GP comment's description of ad hominem again: it means making a logical argument that depends on the speaker's personal characteristics. "You're European, so your argument is biased and wrong" is an ad hominem. "Your argument is naive, here's w…

no, an ad hominem need not be literal. do you really not understand nuance in language? we're not computers operating only on singular data and deterministic instructions. see how those three sentences go together? that's a line of reasoning. the subject comment doesn't have that throughline. it's disjointed; the parts are only tangentially connected.

But an ad hominem requires that the argument is thrown out solely based on the attack against the person. Laying out a logical argument against someone's belief, and then _additionally_ insulting him based on his beliefs is not an ad hominem.
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