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Re: How Imagen Works

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Post by lofatdairy »

funstuff007 wrote: post #72

What's the highest price paid for an AI-generated image NFT?

Unfortunately it seems like it's greater than 0...

If we ignore the procedurally generated NFTs created from mixing and matching various assets and go with ones where AI is the selling point, we're left with a few notable ones: Sophia, a robot w/ some low-level AI sold a single piece for 689k USD [^1]. Botto, a VQGAN-based algorithm sold a single piece for 430k USD and has sold multiple other pieces for tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Slightly more modest are some other projects like Metascapes [^3] and Eponym [^4], which produced some really tedious pieces that managed to sell for 3.5k USD and 10k USD respectively. That said, the Eponym piece seems to be some sort of self promotion, so maybe we can say that the actual prices for these collections are somewhere in the fraction of an ETH range if they can be sold at all.

Honestly, only the Botto piece is remotely interesting to look at, and even then I feel as if the blurred, "dreamy" aesthetic that seems to be in so many different AI painting approaches (style-transfer, VQGANS, DALL-E, maybe others I'm not aware of). I think it was more interesting back when we could pretend that these were the electric sheep at the fringes of some deep-sleeping latent intelligent potential but now they just feel kinda arbitrary and lacking deliberation. I absolutely love the field and think these researchers have done tremendous work, but I feel as though all the lay news attention is on the art, and not on the algorithm that generated it. The fascinating thing is that we have a machine that can produce novel something from words or basic ideas and that the output's content retains these ideas, not so much that art itself has that much compositional or stylistic merit.

[^1]: https://niftygateway.com/itemdetail/primary/0xbe60d0a37ebde6...

[^2]: https://superrare.com/artwork-v2/scene-precede-29922

[^3]: https://opensea.io/assets/ethereum/0x75d639e5e52b4ea5426f2fb...

[^4]: https://opensea.io/assets/ethereum/0xaa20f900e24ca7ed897c44d...

Re: How Imagen Works

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Post by astrange »

Is there a compare and contrast between Imagen and Parti anywhere? I realize the paper came out yesterday, but maybe other people remember what "autoregressive" means better than I do.

Re: How Imagen Works

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Post by firecall »

dougmwne wrote: post #33
Workaccount2 wrote: post #17

I have shown imagen (and dalle2) to a number of people now (non-tech, just everyday friends, family, co-workers) and I have been pretty stunned by the response I get from most people: "Meh, that's kinda cool? I guess?" or "What am I looking at?"..."Ok? So a computer made it? That seems neat" To me I am still trying to get my jaw off the floor from 2 months ago. But the responses have been so muted and shoulder shrugg…

I think I can explain this that for most people the whole world is basically magic anyway. They don’t understand any of the details about how any digital tech works so to them they have no framework for which things are impressive and which things are not. The just know that computers can do a great many things that they know nothing about. “Oh I can bank online? Ok.” “Oh, I can have the computer write my book report…

"Oh, they have the internet on computers now!" Homer J Simpson.

Re: How Imagen Works

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Post by rasz »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #17

I have shown imagen (and dalle2) to a number of people now (non-tech, just everyday friends, family, co-workers) and I have been pretty stunned by the response I get from most people: "Meh, that's kinda cool? I guess?" or "What am I looking at?"..."Ok? So a computer made it? That seems neat" To me I am still trying to get my jaw off the floor from 2 months ago. But the responses have been so muted and shoulder shrugg…

Its because people have been able to do this for years now, and so did you. You can try right now. Go to google, type "cat on a bicycle" and hit image search. TADA, computer made cats on bicycles images appear! Wheres the magic in that?

>THIS IS A ORIGINAL IMAGE

Yeah, about that. Ask it to draw you a fast inverse square root.

Re: How Imagen Works

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Post by sumy23 »

varispeed wrote: post #32

> is trained on hundreds of millions of images and their associated captions So how do you get access to hundreds of millions of images and use them to create derivative works? Did they get consent from millions of authors? Or is something like that only available to the rich with access to lawyers on tap? I mean I can imagine if a nobody wanted to do something like this, they'd get bankrupted by having to deal with…

There are open datasets with that many image-text pairs. E.g. https://laion.ai/blog/laion-400-open-dataset/ There is even a dataset with 5 billion image-text pairs if you're feeling adventurous: https://laion.ai/blog/laion-5b/

Re: How Imagen Works

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Post by ratioprosperous »

rasz wrote: post #85
Workaccount2 wrote: post #17

I have shown imagen (and dalle2) to a number of people now (non-tech, just everyday friends, family, co-workers) and I have been pretty stunned by the response I get from most people: "Meh, that's kinda cool? I guess?" or "What am I looking at?"..."Ok? So a computer made it? That seems neat" To me I am still trying to get my jaw off the floor from 2 months ago. But the responses have been so muted and shoulder shrugg…

Its because people have been able to do this for years now, and so did you. You can try right now. Go to google, type "cat on a bicycle" and hit image search. TADA, computer made cats on bicycles images appear! Wheres the magic in that? >THIS IS A ORIGINAL IMAGE Yeah, about that. Ask it to draw you a fast inverse square root.

I love this comment, and I'd love to see an AI conjecture an explanation as to why I love it...

Re: How Imagen Works

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Post by paconbork »

yreg wrote: post #73
joshcryer wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are really thirsty to play with this tech, you can't blame them. Just search for dataset creators on Hugging Face. I'd link directly to several of them running but it would just overwhelm the creators. If you want to be in early you'll find them. The beautiful thing is open source is going to make this stuff available for everyone and in very short timeframe. It's crazy how fast it moves.

>The beautiful thing I'm very much looking forward to be able to play with this tech asap. I'm still excited about AIDungeon. However, OpenAI and creators of the other big name models are restricting the access for good reasons and I'm unsure whether it will be a beautiful thing once it's available for everyone…

Eh, it exists and it's an inevitability that it will eventually be used in terrible ways. OpenAI and Google people just want the CV booster for having created it but want to pretend it's not their fault when it's used to do a racismsexism.

Re: How Imagen Works

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Post by corysama »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #17

I have shown imagen (and dalle2) to a number of people now (non-tech, just everyday friends, family, co-workers) and I have been pretty stunned by the response I get from most people: "Meh, that's kinda cool? I guess?" or "What am I looking at?"..."Ok? So a computer made it? That seems neat" To me I am still trying to get my jaw off the floor from 2 months ago. But the responses have been so muted and shoulder shrugg…

Over a decade ago, Will Wright (of SimCity fame) faked conversational AGI robots in the streets and restaurants of Oakland. It consistently took people 2.4 seconds to go from “Oh look. The robots have arrived.” to “And, I’ll have fries with that.”

Hollywood and the media have taught the public that tech is literally magic and can do literally anything. “Anything” is expected and pedestrian.

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