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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by autoexec »

elevaet wrote: post #563
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I have seen this, but on the flip-side, the most successful person I know (and they are quite successful) is also the biggest stoner I know.

I've also met some extremely productive weed smokers. It seems like most people become lulled into a hazey life, but there are these idiosyncratic responders who smoke copious amounts and are fully on top of their game.

I think it's equally possible that lazy people who smoke will be lazy and people who are active and always doing stuff will continue to do that even if they smoke. The temptation to be lazy might be greater for the few hours they're high, but not everyone will give into that every time and every other hour of the day they're doing what they'd normally do.

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Post by lazide »

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It is possible that some jobs are meant to be stepping stones, not permanent positions (ie: you outgrow them, and someone lower on the learning totem pole steps into the role for a time).

Absolutely, and you should be paid enough to properly take care of yourself while you have those positions.

‘Should’ != ‘is’ or ‘will be’.

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Post by smileysteve »

vineyardmike wrote: post #559
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Absolutely, and you should be paid enough to properly take care of yourself while you have those positions.

So I absolutely agree with your opinion, and I think everyone should be paid a livable wage and should be able to live a meaningful life off their work pay. That said, I think the argument of “stepping stone” job salaries is less crazy in the context of people who are dépendants of other adults. If you’re a teen and you live with parents who provide food and housing and basics like that, you’re needs from the wages a…

This seems to be from the view point of a top percent home.

35 million Americans are on snap. 53 million Americans used a food pantry in 2021 (thesev groups don't always intersect)

Whether it's urban, rural, or suburban (high percentage shift since 2008), the percent of Americans that have parents that can provide food, shelter - much less plan for education and their own retirement is not a very high number for this phrasing.

Imagine if the expectation was that a part time fast food job could pay even half of college expenses.

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Post by walleeee »

nradov wrote: post #578
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phones are on a different level than fiction or radio or arguably even cannabis imo you can do something else while you listen to the radio or smoke pot (e.g., clean your house, hang out with friends or family, with weed you can even read or program) phones and books both consume your attention, but a book at least demands a bit of effort to follow and might introduce you to new ideas or vocabulary, even if you're re…

I use my phone to listen to podcasts and audio books while I exercise.

Yep, me too!

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Post by Miraste »

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> I'd be proud of it, if they were a good person, took care of themselves, took care of the people around them, and were truly happy in their lives I'd be happy for them. I wouldn't be proud . An infinite amount of possible achievements is no excuse not to strive for anything.

> An infinite amount of possible achievements is no excuse not to strive for anything. If they're striving for happiness and they are happy, mission accomplished right? I assume they'd still have their own goals and hobbies outside of work or things which bring in money. Why assume those things don't matter?

I didn’t say anything about work. I know people with interesting and worthwhile accomplishments or hobbies outside the field of career advancement. This is great and I’d be pleased if my child found something, money or no, to pursue passionately. I also know people (stoners being overrepresented) who are completely passive consumers watching life drift by, who only play games/watch shows and don’t do anything creative or challenging. It’s not a lifestyle I would take pride in. I don’t mean that as an attack, exactly - pride is earned, and to earn it you have to actually do something.

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Post by walleeee »

autoexec wrote: post #575
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phones are on a different level than fiction or radio or arguably even cannabis imo you can do something else while you listen to the radio or smoke pot (e.g., clean your house, hang out with friends or family, with weed you can even read or program) phones and books both consume your attention, but a book at least demands a bit of effort to follow and might introduce you to new ideas or vocabulary, even if you're re…

If we're going to credit books with potentially expanding your vocabulary, we should at least acknowledge that while you can mindlessly scroll through insta and tiktok you can also be consuming thoughtful and educational content. Even tiktok which doesn't exactly lend itself to useful content has some great stuff. Books, TV, the internet, cell phones all have the potential to benefit you. They often don't, but it's n…

I definitely agree there are upsides. I had a Twitter for a while and found a ton of interesting articles, informative accounts, etc. I've learned a ton from YouTube. Sure, some TikTok videos can be helpful.

But the idea that the media forms and platforms play no causal role and it's all on us and our choices is nearly indefensible imo

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Post by bowsamic »

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The problem is that it's almost impossible to find the "beer" of weed now. Almost all weed has been upgraded to be super powered. If I want a joint, I have to use tobacco or catnip to fill it out unless I want to be steaming. I also think that the weed culture is hostile against suggestions of problems. Almost every time I have spoken about possible dangers of weed, even when presenting peer reviewed articles or meta…

> If I want a joint Just give up the idea of joints. You don't have to conform to weed culture or tradition (or marketing) to smoke weed. As an act, smoking isn't particularly pleasurable (although I have to admit that smoke is mildly entertaining.) How about taking 2-3 hits from a water pipe, vape, or just an old-school pipe, and spending the rest of the night drinking something you enjoy? Have some tea instead of s…

Popcorn is actually really calorific

But anyway I like joints and so do a lot of people, I don’t see this as a solution

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Post by zach_garwood »

> Each morning, she found students washing their bongs in the communal bathroom at 8 a.m. to prepare for their “morning smoke.”

I guess kids are just more sanitary these days, but I would go like a month between cleaning my bongs in college. And I certainly wasn't waking up at such an early hour as 8am.

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Post by autoexec »

Miraste wrote: post #585
autoexec wrote: post #579

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> An infinite amount of possible achievements is no excuse not to strive for anything. If they're striving for happiness and they are happy, mission accomplished right? I assume they'd still have their own goals and hobbies outside of work or things which bring in money. Why assume those things don't matter?

I didn’t say anything about work. I know people with interesting and worthwhile accomplishments or hobbies outside the field of career advancement. This is great and I’d be pleased if my child found something, money or no, to pursue passionately. I also know people (stoners being overrepresented) who are completely passive consumers watching life drift by, who only play games/watch shows and don’t do anything creativ…

that's fair enough. I've never met anyone (stoner or not) who wasn't striving for something. I mean, in some cases it might not have been more than status in an MMO guild, or building/maintaining collections, or personal writing, but everybody I've ever met has something they're into and love doing.

I can't even imagine what a life of passive, mindless, consumption without any creative outlet would even be like. It's frankly depressing to think about!

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Post by RajT88 »

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As a (mostly former) distance runner. Running endless marathons is most certainly not harmless. You will face eventually injuries which affect you for the rest of your life.

There's distance and then there's distance . You can be a serious endurance athlete but focus on shorter races, with judicious use of low-impact cross training to reduce the risk of injuries while still building an aerobic base.

I only have done a few marathon or longer races. When I was running regularly I would do 25-30 miles a week.

It is doing that for decades which messes you up eventually.

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