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Re: The Cracked Wisdom of Dril

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Post by dionidium »

ladyattis wrote: post #60
dionidium wrote: post #26

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I have to say, I find this sentiment confusing and unimaginative. Progressives never stop talking about all the subtle impediments to progress felt by marginalized groups -- microaggressions, stereotype threat, not seeing people who look like you in positions of power, what it's like to hold beliefs not shared by the dominant culture, etc, etc. But then they express disbelief when a member of a group they've deemed t…

The bumbling idiot dad meme is just Mr. Mom being repackaged which I'm sure even Mr. Mom is just a repackaging of an earlier comedic trope along the same lines. I don't think these commercials are a magical threat to the health or wellbeing of the nuclear family.

Frankly, I'm also a little bit skeptical that the manner in which people who look you are depicted on television is a significant factor in anyone's life, but the point here is that it's an explicitly professed progressive belief. I'm really just asking people to take their own arguments seriously (or don't). You will never hear a progressive dismiss the depiction in media of a minority group the way you've just dismissed depictions of family life.

Re: The Cracked Wisdom of Dril

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Post by streamlining »

subjectsigma wrote: post #58
streamlining wrote: post #56

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> I have met several LGBT people who refer to heterosexual people by perjoratives like "the straights" and "cis scum" and openly mock things like traditional marriage ceremonies. Like, in real conversations. To people's faces. And a gay person has probably encountered thousands of people that have attitudes like that toward their sexuality... I really don't know what your point is. I went to a well-known hippie colle…

Regarding the grandparent comment: > "To the privileged, equality feels like oppression." My point is that the quote is accurate, but in an upside-down-and-backwards way. The privileged, by and large, aren't sitting around in country clubs smoking fat cigars and complaining about how they now have to tolerate degenerates. They are everyday people who now have to deal with new ideas they don't understand and might not…

You really can't refrain from sharing your prejudices apparently.

I was born and am a good example of a privileged straight white male... so why is it that I have absolutely no trouble distinguishing between the minuscule number of zealous or hateful gay people out there, many of whom hold no position of power in society, in contrast to the large group of dimwitted retrogrades who are unable to reckon with the personal freedoms of others? These are the same people that gravitate toward religious lunacy and repressive politics in general all over the world.

I wonder why you even bring up homosexuality and polyamory together. Maybe next you'll dig up some stats to associate the two, but what you don't understand is that there's another way to live entirely and it's this... I don't care at all about the consensual romantic lives of other adults, I try to avoid characterizing gay, straight or really any large cohort of people as a group, and I especially don't feel any need to justify my straightness to anyone at all. It's pretty simple.

Re: The Cracked Wisdom of Dril

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Post by subjectsigma »

streamlining wrote: post #62
subjectsigma wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding the grandparent comment: > "To the privileged, equality feels like oppression." My point is that the quote is accurate, but in an upside-down-and-backwards way. The privileged, by and large, aren't sitting around in country clubs smoking fat cigars and complaining about how they now have to tolerate degenerates. They are everyday people who now have to deal with new ideas they don't understand and might not…

You really can't refrain from sharing your prejudices apparently. I was born and am a good example of a privileged straight white male... so why is it that I have absolutely no trouble distinguishing between the minuscule number of zealous or hateful gay people out there, many of whom hold no position of power in society, in contrast to the large group of dimwitted retrogrades who are unable to reckon with the person…

> You really can't refrain from sharing your prejudices apparently.

Part of my point is that most people can't or don't. Should it be different? Yes. Is it going to be? Not anytime soon. Does this mean you think these people are categorically evil?

> in contrast to the large group of dimwitted retrogrades who are unable to reckon with the personal freedoms of others? These are the same people that gravitate toward religious lunacy and repressive politics in general all over the world.

Apparently so... I think that's pretty ironic. You're asking me to be empathetic, to not stereotype, and to see the bigger picture. But you think everyone who doesn't feel exactly as you do is a lunatic or a fascist?

Look, the spirit of the original comment thread wasn't criticizing any specific group of people, it was saying that equality doesn't happen overnight. Not everyone is 100% on board all the time, or will even always agree with what equality means. Accept that change is slow and hard, and empathize with the normies who you clearly think are beneath you, and I promise you will win more hearts and minds.

Re: The Cracked Wisdom of Dril

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Post by ladyattis »

dionidium wrote: post #61
ladyattis wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bumbling idiot dad meme is just Mr. Mom being repackaged which I'm sure even Mr. Mom is just a repackaging of an earlier comedic trope along the same lines. I don't think these commercials are a magical threat to the health or wellbeing of the nuclear family.

Frankly, I'm also a little bit skeptical that the manner in which people who look you are depicted on television is a significant factor in anyone's life, but the point here is that it's an explicitly professed progressive belief . I'm really just asking people to take their own arguments seriously (or don't). You will never hear a progressive dismiss the depiction in media of a minority group the way you've just dis…

It's likely because it's funny and somewhat true. Usually both parents are just as hapless when caring for their kids since it's not exactly something you train up for historically.
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