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Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by inlined »

Noughmad wrote: post #173
majormajor wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How far does "separating corporate interests from governmental ones" go? Can the government purchase a car? Hire a private corporation to build a road? Hire a consulting company to check the security of their (now-free-and-without-a-support-contract FOSS?) computer setup?

It's actually quite simple. The government can buy things services from specific providers, but it cannot force you to buy services from specific providers. In other words, it can buy BMWs for government use, but it cannot say "you have to buy a BMW to enter the municipal office". The same applies to websites. If a government website uses Google analytics, it is essentially requiring you to do business with a specifi…

And if the government uses Cloudflare or GoDaddy or aws it’s requiring you to do business with those companies. This goal is impossible to achieve with any government run service.

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Post by clairity »

simonswords82 wrote: post #193
clairity wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

either way (intent can also be multi-modal), it signals a triggered response and is entirely superfluous and distracting. it's worth setting that aside, even after writing it, and examining the emotional underpinnings that led to the response in the first place. we learn a lot about our own subconsciousness that way.

I have no idea what it is you're trying to say but I did laugh that your username is clarity! :)

excellent, my diabolical plan to rule the world via dry humor is working as designed.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by clairity »

mmanfrin wrote: post #196
clairity wrote: post #135

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ah, the ad hominem , never a good sign for the proceeding argument. there are a number of other office suites that are entirely adequate for bureaucratic organizations to build methodical processes around (which is what bureaucracies do). the capabilities of the underlying tools don’t matter much in this regard. also, audits aren’t meant to prove anything (like security), but instead to shift liability.

> ah, the ad hominem, never a good sign for the proceeding argument. An ad hominem means using an insult as the basis for rejecting an argument , e.g. 'that is wrong because you are [attack]'. Saying an argument is naive and then explaining why is not an ad hominem.

arguments can have multiple lines of reasoning, one of which can be an ad hominem all by itself.

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Post by minsc_and_boo »

solar-ice wrote: post #183
calibas wrote: post #176

If I understand this correctly, the issue isn't Google Analytics specifically, but "because it transfers users’ data to the USA, which is a country without an adequate level of data protection". So this could also apply to any company that sends PII to the USA?

At present, there is no legal basis for a company covered by the GDPR to send personal data to the US or a US-owned company. The US needs to repeal the CLOUD Act, and maybe one or two other things, in order to make this situation work again.

Is that for US- or Italian-based users? What if this is an Italian company running a global website with data from non-GDPR country users?

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by pessimizer »

la64710 wrote: post #93

This kind of ridiculous laws do not understand the boundless nature of internet. If you want to protect privacy of netizens simply make a universal law instead of having different laws in different countries.

Other countries may not want to protect privacy at all. Italians are making rules to protect Italians.

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Post by Arainach »

Noughmad wrote: post #173
majormajor wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How far does "separating corporate interests from governmental ones" go? Can the government purchase a car? Hire a private corporation to build a road? Hire a consulting company to check the security of their (now-free-and-without-a-support-contract FOSS?) computer setup?

It's actually quite simple. The government can buy things services from specific providers, but it cannot force you to buy services from specific providers. In other words, it can buy BMWs for government use, but it cannot say "you have to buy a BMW to enter the municipal office". The same applies to websites. If a government website uses Google analytics, it is essentially requiring you to do business with a specifi…

If the government takes your data and runs an analysis on an old IBM mainframe, are they forcing you to do business with IBM?

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by l33t2328 »

Noughmad wrote: post #173
majormajor wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How far does "separating corporate interests from governmental ones" go? Can the government purchase a car? Hire a private corporation to build a road? Hire a consulting company to check the security of their (now-free-and-without-a-support-contract FOSS?) computer setup?

It's actually quite simple. The government can buy things services from specific providers, but it cannot force you to buy services from specific providers. In other words, it can buy BMWs for government use, but it cannot say "you have to buy a BMW to enter the municipal office". The same applies to websites. If a government website uses Google analytics, it is essentially requiring you to do business with a specifi…

Can the government own a BMW bus?

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Post by minsc_and_boo »

reaperducer wrote: post #50
tantalor wrote: post #38

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Lots of ways? Better features, better support, better performance. If you can't beat the free offering, then go home.

If you can't beat the free offering, then go home. In the real world of physical goods, there are laws against this. But Google's a tech company, so anything goes.

Which real world country?

In the U.S. most antitrust law is based on protecting what's best for the consumer, not protecting the competition from a free alternative.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by waffleiron »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #166
nathanaldensr wrote: post #136

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Maybe a race where the finish line is maximum exploitation of the digital population isn't a race worth running.

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So lets legalise child labour? Get rid of OSHA?

Where you draw the line is cultural and personal, so don’t dismiss things like this so easily.

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Post by feet »

Noughmad wrote: post #173
majormajor wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How far does "separating corporate interests from governmental ones" go? Can the government purchase a car? Hire a private corporation to build a road? Hire a consulting company to check the security of their (now-free-and-without-a-support-contract FOSS?) computer setup?

It's actually quite simple. The government can buy things services from specific providers, but it cannot force you to buy services from specific providers. In other words, it can buy BMWs for government use, but it cannot say "you have to buy a BMW to enter the municipal office". The same applies to websites. If a government website uses Google analytics, it is essentially requiring you to do business with a specifi…

The gov is forcing me to pay the crony corporations through taxing me
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