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Re: How Imagen Works

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I have shown imagen (and dalle2) to a number of people now (non-tech, just everyday friends, family, co-workers) and I have been pretty stunned by the response I get from most people: "Meh, that's kinda cool? I guess?" or "What am I looking at?"..."Ok? So a computer made it? That seems neat" To me I am still trying to get my jaw off the floor from 2 months ago. But the responses have been so muted and shoulder shrugg…

I couldn't convince my mother in law it was more impressive than photoshop.

Re: How Imagen Works

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> is trained on hundreds of millions of images and their associated captions

So how do you get access to hundreds of millions of images and use them to create derivative works? Did they get consent from millions of authors?

Or is something like that only available to the rich with access to lawyers on tap?

I mean I can imagine if a nobody wanted to do something like this, they'd get bankrupted by having to deal with all the photographers / artists spotting a tiny sliver of their art in the image produced by the model.

Furthermore, would something like this work with music? For instance, train the model on all Spotify songs and then generate songs based on "Get me a Bach symphony played on sticks with someone rapping like Dr Dre with lisp." Or do music industry have enough money to bully anyone into not doing that?

Re: How Imagen Works

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I have shown imagen (and dalle2) to a number of people now (non-tech, just everyday friends, family, co-workers) and I have been pretty stunned by the response I get from most people: "Meh, that's kinda cool? I guess?" or "What am I looking at?"..."Ok? So a computer made it? That seems neat" To me I am still trying to get my jaw off the floor from 2 months ago. But the responses have been so muted and shoulder shrugg…

I think I can explain this that for most people the whole world is basically magic anyway. They don’t understand any of the details about how any digital tech works so to them they have no framework for which things are impressive and which things are not. The just know that computers can do a great many things that they know nothing about. “Oh I can bank online? Ok.” “Oh, I can have the computer write my book report for me? Ok.” “Oh, this McDonalds is fully staffed by sentiment robots? Ok.”

Re: How Imagen Works

#34

I have shown imagen (and dalle2) to a number of people now (non-tech, just everyday friends, family, co-workers) and I have been pretty stunned by the response I get from most people: "Meh, that's kinda cool? I guess?" or "What am I looking at?"..."Ok? So a computer made it? That seems neat" To me I am still trying to get my jaw off the floor from 2 months ago. But the responses have been so muted and shoulder shrugg…

I've gotten a lot of "wow, that's cool!"s, which is a pretty fair response for a non-technical person if you ask me!

Re: How Imagen Works

#35

I have shown imagen (and dalle2) to a number of people now (non-tech, just everyday friends, family, co-workers) and I have been pretty stunned by the response I get from most people: "Meh, that's kinda cool? I guess?" or "What am I looking at?"..."Ok? So a computer made it? That seems neat" To me I am still trying to get my jaw off the floor from 2 months ago. But the responses have been so muted and shoulder shrugg…

It's just an illustration of the fact that the average person doesn't give a sh*t about AI "art" and that it will have ~zero cost and ~zero value.

Treating Imagen as just an "AI art generator" is extremely short sighted. Sure, you could just try to sell the outputs directly. But the real value is using it to supplement larger works. No need for a stock photo subscription service if you can just generate them automatically. Don't need artists to create textures for your simple games. I can spin up a merch shop powered entirely by AI art and nobody would know. The marginal cost of creation is approaching zero.

Re: How Imagen Works

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I have shown imagen (and dalle2) to a number of people now (non-tech, just everyday friends, family, co-workers) and I have been pretty stunned by the response I get from most people: "Meh, that's kinda cool? I guess?" or "What am I looking at?"..."Ok? So a computer made it? That seems neat" To me I am still trying to get my jaw off the floor from 2 months ago. But the responses have been so muted and shoulder shrugg…

I think if you've been paying attentiont to the space, this generation of image diffusion is shocking in how quickly it has improved on what we had a year ago. But if you've never considered that a computer can produce an original image, this is just a new thing computers can do. OTOH I think it's also a lack of imagination in how useful this is, so far the output has been kind of random, so it seems a little gimmick…

I'm not sure there has been a period of more rapid development in DL than Diffusion Models (maybe transformers?). The next few years will be really interesting.

Re: How Imagen Works

#37

I have shown imagen (and dalle2) to a number of people now (non-tech, just everyday friends, family, co-workers) and I have been pretty stunned by the response I get from most people: "Meh, that's kinda cool? I guess?" or "What am I looking at?"..."Ok? So a computer made it? That seems neat" To me I am still trying to get my jaw off the floor from 2 months ago. But the responses have been so muted and shoulder shrugg…

I've made perhaps overly absolutist statements like "don't you see! this kills artists jobs!" and it was shrugged off as if I was insane. I probably could've phrased it differently, but to me this is game changing in several fields. Granted, it will open up a new field of "generative artists" but, having played with these things, this is a pretty trivial job, and their training nets are only going to get better .

It could also be used for more nefarious reasons like disinformation campaigns though... it will be interesting to see what the next few years have in store

Re: How Imagen Works

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I’ve had a lot of fun playing with Disco Diffusion prompts, but I agree that the people excited about “a generation of prompt artists” are a bit misguided. Soon an AI will emerge that can come up with “better” prompts than you, and the “art” of creating prompts will have a lower skill ceiling.

The GPT algorithms are actually pretty good at making detailed image generation prompts if you ask it to describe in detail the general idea you want.

Do you have a link to any papers about this? Would love to check them out

Re: How Imagen Works

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just an illustration of the fact that the average person doesn't give a sh*t about AI "art" and that it will have ~zero cost and ~zero value.

Treating Imagen as just an "AI art generator" is extremely short sighted. Sure, you could just try to sell the outputs directly. But the real value is using it to supplement larger works. No need for a stock photo subscription service if you can just generate them automatically. Don't need artists to create textures for your simple games. I can spin up a merch shop powered entirely by AI art and nobody would know. Th…

And perhaps even more interestingly these things not only exist but there is competition in this space! Essentially unregulated competition as well (and likely for the next 10 years). The cost will be driven into the ground.

Re: How Imagen Works

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post #13

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I don't think anyone is saying that humanity is close to AGI, but check out DeepMind's Gato work for a more well-rounded agent: https://www.deepmind.com/publications/a-generalist-agent

I think we're past a certain threshold, maybe not AGI but some definite qualitative change is happening.

I mean DALL-E 2 was the first time my jaw really hit the floor, although in fairness GPT-3 probably should've done that, but it's easier to do with images.

And then for this to drop just a month later? Insane. It makes you wonder if they're actually releasing cutting edge, or Google decided to write this paper just because of the publication of DALL-E 2. Maybe they've had this model in the bag for a year.

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