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Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by closewith »

lmkg wrote: post #56
corywatilo wrote: post #18

Italy is the 4th in a string of recent decisions across the EU. (We're tracking these cases on isgoogleanalyticsillegal.com along with details for each.) Note that it's not illegal to use GA entirely, just illegal to use in its default state which transmits PII to the US.

> just illegal to use in its default state which transmits PII to the US As I mentioned in a sibling comment, this is technically true but complying with GDPR takes more than unchecking a few boxes. I've never seen any GA set-up that would remotely approach compliance. At minimum, you need to mask IP's before they reach Google, which means standing up a non-Google server to proxy all the hits. That is more complexity…

That’s a very common implementation of serverside GTM/GA in the EU. If you advertise, you’ll still be sending GCLIDs, though.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by feet »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #59
leephillips wrote: post #24

Good. US citizens should be, at least, disappointed that their government is so bad at protecting their privacy, that US law is so far behind the times. To those companies and people who find these EU decisions baffling or inconvenient: tough. If you had had respect for your users this would not be an issue. You would already not be spying on them. To website visitors: if you see a cookie banner, the site is asking p…

My buddy is a manager at a chemical plant, and your comment reminds me of a very astute statement he made recently. “I don’t generally like unions. I’ve worked at both union and non-union plants. But anytime someone else complains about unions, I remind them that if they have a union at their plant, they earned it.“

Sounds like a manager's take on unions, at least he sounds somewhat reasonable. Good on him

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by feet »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #54
leephillips wrote: post #24

Good. US citizens should be, at least, disappointed that their government is so bad at protecting their privacy, that US law is so far behind the times. To those companies and people who find these EU decisions baffling or inconvenient: tough. If you had had respect for your users this would not be an issue. You would already not be spying on them. To website visitors: if you see a cookie banner, the site is asking p…

America is the LTS branch of Democracy.

I think the support contract ended a while back

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by foota »

reaperducer wrote: post #50
tantalor wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of ways? Better features, better support, better performance. If you can't beat the free offering, then go home.

If you can't beat the free offering, then go home. In the real world of physical goods, there are laws against this. But Google's a tech company, so anything goes.

It's not illegal to give things away for free unless it's dumping.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by closewith »

guelo wrote: post #55
rambambram wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congrats. We also chose to do the analytics ourselves. No tracking, no cookie banners, and probably better stats as well. One thing that Google did very cleverly was to only give GA users the search terms that visitors used to end up on their site.

Isn't the search term in the Referer header?

Not for many years. The only way to get Google search term data now is through the Search Console product, which integrates with GA.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by saas_sam »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #59
leephillips wrote: post #24

Good. US citizens should be, at least, disappointed that their government is so bad at protecting their privacy, that US law is so far behind the times. To those companies and people who find these EU decisions baffling or inconvenient: tough. If you had had respect for your users this would not be an issue. You would already not be spying on them. To website visitors: if you see a cookie banner, the site is asking p…

My buddy is a manager at a chemical plant, and your comment reminds me of a very astute statement he made recently. “I don’t generally like unions. I’ve worked at both union and non-union plants. But anytime someone else complains about unions, I remind them that if they have a union at their plant, they earned it.“

When union plants are shuttered in favor of non-union plants, did they earn that too? Or does this logic only apply in one direction?

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by Rygian »

tin7in wrote: post #12

We are based in Europe and self-host our analytics exactly for this reason. I feel this is just the beginning.

Self-hosting does not automatically make your analytics legal, on the other hand.

Processing of your users' personal data is legal only in the few exceptional scenarios outlined in Article 6.

https://gdprinfo.eu/en-article-6

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

olalonde wrote: post #47
eropple wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Consumers who are more concerned about privacy could have set their browser to automatically block any non GDPR compliant website. It may not be your intent, but defaults matter and what you're wishing for here is de-facto scuttling of the GDPR.

Are you implying that the vast majority of consumers aren't concerned with their privacy and would keep using GDPR-compliant websites? If that's the case, isn't the regulation somewhat against the spirit of democracy?

> Are you implying that the vast majority of consumers aren't concerned with their privacy and would keep using GDPR-compliant websites?

False premise.

Users simply aren't aware, but once they learn about it, they become concerned,

> If that's the case, isn't the regulation somewhat against the spirit of democracy?

That's a really weird argument.

Anyway, that's not the case.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Post by hallway_monitor »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #54
leephillips wrote: post #24

Good. US citizens should be, at least, disappointed that their government is so bad at protecting their privacy, that US law is so far behind the times. To those companies and people who find these EU decisions baffling or inconvenient: tough. If you had had respect for your users this would not be an issue. You would already not be spying on them. To website visitors: if you see a cookie banner, the site is asking p…

America is the LTS branch of Democracy.

Privacy improvements will be pulled in along with independent political parties in the next kernel update.
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