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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by oneoff786 »

lostmsu wrote: post #260
blowski wrote: post #218

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This is the same argument with all consuming vs producing. It's why there was a moral panic in the 1800s over Jane Austen style fiction, in the 1930s over radio, and so on. Being addicted to cannabis is not really any different to playing computer games 12 hours a day, doing endless marathons, watching sports, investing, or many similar activities.

I'd say marathons and computer games (except the clickers) should not be on this list due to the difference between active vs passive participation.

Clickers are better than people give credit. Thinking about growth curves is an uncommon challenge. Pretty much nothing else commonly involves things expanding faster than exponentially. You don’t actually just click mindlessly. You typically need an understanding of the system otherwise you’re just waiting for infeasible amounts of time.

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Post by _j5l3 »

drost wrote: post #85
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I'm struggling with this right now. Using during the day is still an uncommon occurrence, but it's happening more and more. The real issue I'm having with it is that I'm using pretty much every night. I come from the gym, take a shower, and grab the vape pen and sit on the couch. It just makes me so lazy. I stopped cooking and just eat pizza and ice cream nearly every night. Thankfully my weight hasn't taken a hit. B…

Take a break before it becomes worse. Get a kSafe and lock all your stuff up for a week or two to shake your brain out.

I spent my whole 20s severely addicted to it without even realizing, and when I had to stop I felt like I was going crazy. Couldn't sleep, couldn't think, couldn't eat. It's really better to nip it in the bud.

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Post by Mo3 »

bryans wrote: post #286
Mo3 wrote: post #203

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I stand corrected.. so we’re back at personal responsibility again. Last I read this was a very rare phenomenon happening mostly in chronic users of concentrates. I still fail to see how that is valid reasoning for anything else in this article.. Just read your comment again, but substitute cannabis with alcohol. You would be dead by now with these dosages, and if you go a step further the article would be correlatin…

Much like your original comment and despite having zero knowledge of the subject, you are arrogantly stringing together random words in an attempt to belittle people for being "stupid or naive." CHS is not rare, nor does it require extreme dosage. It affects approximately 7% of smokers. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29327809/

> belittle people for being "stupid or naive." CHS is not rare, nor does it require extreme dosage. It affects approximately 7% of smokers.

Allow me to quote directly from the article linked to by you,

> Patients between the ages of 18-49 years who reported smoking marijuana at least 20 days per month. Among 2127 patients approached for participation, 155 met inclusion criteria as smoking 20 or more days per month. Among those surveyed, 32.9% (95% CI, 25.5-40.3%) met our criteria for having experienced CHS

This puts the initial prevalence at around 2.3%, not 7%, but the dataset is also very small. Also, the dataset is likely biased because it consists of patients already presenting to the ER. There is no further mention as to why they presented to the emergency room either.

> Patients were classified as experiencing a phenomenon consistent with CHS if they reported smoking marijuana at least 20 days per month and also rated 'hot showers' as five or more on the ten-point symptom relief method Likert scale for nausea and vomiting.

These conditions are very broad and symptoms of CHS match closely the symptoms of regular overdose, and most of the relief methods are also directly applicable to regular overdoses.

I would be extremely surprised if the actual prevalence is any higher than 0.5-1% of consumers, and in any case this has pretty much only proven my point now. I may have little knowledge on some rare edge-case condition, but at least I know how statistics work.

For whatever it's worth, the prevalence of CHS seems to be lower than the prevalence of allergic reactions to alcohol.......

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Post by jamal-kumar »

jb1991 wrote: post #280
jamal-kumar wrote: post #256

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I'll raise everyone that and mention that my favorite built-in feature for avoid it: ctrl+shift+p (firefox) or ctrl+shift+n (chrome/edge) ctrl+c link ctrl+v in private window hax You can also create a bunch of containers in firefox labelled 'Paywall Bypass 1, Paywall Bypass 2" etc

The article link still does not work for me in a private window in FF. But what is "hax" ? Whatever that means, that's the only thing I'm not doing.

I dunno I don't read a lot of the NYT, always seems to rub me the wrong way, but it works to bypass paywalls on most other sites. The container tab trick should work if their paywall bypass mitigations are stronger than the private window trick

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Post by yourgranny »

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I did this with video games.

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #300
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

It actually can make you feel sick if you smoke too much, there is a rare syndrome called Cannabis Hyperemesis Syndrome, and it's agonizing.

The article specifically mentions Cannabis Hyperemesis Syndrome so I assume this is the "nasty side effect like this article describes." that they are referring to.

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Post by nick__m »

Mo3 wrote: post #203
nick__m wrote: post #165

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Your last paragraph is semiwrong. You can absolutely get sick with unadulterated cannabis but it's not dangerous just really unpleasant. I speak from experience because I developed the cannabis hyperemesis syndrome. It happened when I switched to dry herb vaporization and the smoothness of the vapor made me unconsciously and insidiously increase the amount of cannabis I consumed per puff until I reach the ridiculous…

I stand corrected.. so we’re back at personal responsibility again. Last I read this was a very rare phenomenon happening mostly in chronic users of concentrates. I still fail to see how that is valid reasoning for anything else in this article.. Just read your comment again, but substitute cannabis with alcohol. You would be dead by now with these dosages, and if you go a step further the article would be correlatin…

I agree with most of your post.

However, the article is about teens vaping concentrate that can contains as much as 90% THC. The title on HN is misleading, the article is not about teens smoking a few joints per week.

To reuse your alcohol analogy, the article would be about teens drinking undiluted alcohol (94%) and the title on HN would be "Teens drinking beer are frequently found dead"

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Post by zinclozenge »

kens wrote: post #288
aparticulate wrote: post #140

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cocaine is not weed though most people cannot do cocaine every day without trouble. Coffee? every day is fine different drugs have different danger

> Coffee? every day is fine I wonder how people will look back on coffee hundreds of years from now. "Almost everyone used to constantly drink an addictive stimulant. Shops on every block sold it. People stated that they couldn't function (or even talk) in the morning until they had consumed the stimulant. At work, people needed to take constant stimulant breaks. If someone went a day without it, they often suffered…

It only sounds like a dystopian science fiction if you describe it as such.

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Post by civilitty »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #213
spywaregorilla wrote: post #131

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Great. Are you an outlier or a typical user?

Good question. I'd also like to ask GP whether they think 1.5-3g a day is a low, moderate, or high quantity in a day, in their opinion.

Not the GP but in my experience that is moderate for a habitual user (i.e. "occasional" users do not fall on this scale). Averaging an eighth of an ounce of flower or a gram of concentrate every day would be considered high usage and anything over a quarter ounce flower or two grams concentrate a day would be extreme (at that point you're getting more than a gram of the psychoactives a day, let alone all the other cannabinoids).

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Post by _j5l3 »

sleepdreamy wrote: post #248
sandworm101 wrote: post #153

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Flat-out 24/7 high would be 100/day. Pot is a drug that successful people can sustain without any financial issues. Compare cocaine which can quickly ramp into 1000/day and beyond, quickly devastating the finances of even relatively wealthy people.

This is simply false. I'm not going to discuss pricing here but, with Dabs and several forms of in-take you do not need to spend 100/day to be stoned all day. I live in a recreational state(Lived here for 13 years while it could ruin your life). In the past this might hold true but no longer.

At the peak of my own usage, I smoked around an ounce every 3 days while (pretending to be) working from home. $40/eighth + taxes a pretty average price in the Bay Area, so that works out to almost exactly $100/day.

That's pretty extreme, even for heavy smokers, but far from impossible.

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