As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick • Hacker News Board

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by bowsamic » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:17 PM UTC

photochemsyn wrote: post #19

This line has been reliably trotted out every few years since the 1990s at least: But experts say today’s high-THC cannabis products — vastly different than the joints smoked decades ago — are poisoning some heavy users, including teenagers. The issue is that people adjust their consumption accordingly, just as with alcohol - drinking one liter of beer, everyone knows, is not the same as drinking one liter of vodka.…

The problem is that it's almost impossible to find the "beer" of weed now. Almost all weed has been upgraded to be super powered. If I want a joint, I have to use tobacco or catnip to fill it out unless I want to be steaming.

I also think that the weed culture is hostile against suggestions of problems. Almost every time I have spoken about possible dangers of weed, even when presenting peer reviewed articles or meta analysis, I have been angrily shouted down. Unfortunately weed users have been prosecuted for so long that they take a dogmatic view about its benefits.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by jejeyyy77 » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:17 PM UTC

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

Sounds like reefer madness type claims to me.

You can give someone a hamburger and some people will abuse it til they are obese. It's a personality thing.

To me, the most alarming trend I see among people nowadays is cell phones - people are checking notifications all day like its crack.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by kerabatsos » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:18 PM UTC

mesofile wrote: post #119

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I thought the way that South Park put it (in the voice of Randy Marsh) many years ago was just about perfect: “Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and ...it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored and... It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or... being creat…

I guess. But anecdotally, I learned JavaScript, read philosophical text, organize my goals, play games with my children, go for walks outside…while consuming a moderate amount of thc. My creativity goes up. Rarely do I just sit and do nothing but sometimes that’s fine too. Moderation works.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by rgbrgb » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:18 PM UTC

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I agree being stoned all the time can have bad effects. Similar to video games, TV, instagram, or going out, if you do it too much then you might look up after a while and realize that you haven't developed as many deep skills or relationships as your peers.

However, I've gotten stoned almost every night for the past ~15 years and I think it's been pretty positive. I actually get a low-level pleasant and productive anxiety to create shit. Like don't get me wrong I can get stoned and play a game or watch TV, but usually it just makes me want to go harder on something I'm working on and makes the work more fun. For certain types of work (writing product stuff, making music, css polish) I find it correlates with small creative bursts or insights. My current rule of thumb... only vape [0] in situations where I don't have to deal with strangers or kids (only at night these days). Like food, alcohol, coffee, being alone, or being social, moderation is key.

My point is just that it depends on the person and setting. It's not necessarily good or bad, more like a power tool for your mind. No panacea.

[0]: https://www.puffco.com

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by makeworld » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:19 PM UTC

akpa1 wrote: post #194

neonate wrote: post #52

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Post by bryans » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:19 PM UTC

Mo3 wrote: post #203

nick__m wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your last paragraph is semiwrong. You can absolutely get sick with unadulterated cannabis but it's not dangerous just really unpleasant. I speak from experience because I developed the cannabis hyperemesis syndrome. It happened when I switched to dry herb vaporization and the smoothness of the vapor made me unconsciously and insidiously increase the amount of cannabis I consumed per puff until I reach the ridiculous…

I stand corrected.. so we’re back at personal responsibility again. Last I read this was a very rare phenomenon happening mostly in chronic users of concentrates. I still fail to see how that is valid reasoning for anything else in this article.. Just read your comment again, but substitute cannabis with alcohol. You would be dead by now with these dosages, and if you go a step further the article would be correlatin…

Much like your original comment and despite having zero knowledge of the subject, you are arrogantly stringing together random words in an attempt to belittle people for being "stupid or naive." CHS is not rare, nor does it require extreme dosage. It affects approximately 7% of smokers.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29327809/

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by jejeyyy77 » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:19 PM UTC

iamdbtoo wrote: post #59

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

This argument always pops up as if there aren't a wealth of very successful daily cannabis users.

Probably many more under the radar too.

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Post by kens » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:20 PM UTC

aparticulate wrote: post #140

wooque wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would guess there are people who do cocaine every day without trouble. That doesn't mean everyone should do drugs. Most people can't handle it.

cocaine is not weed though most people cannot do cocaine every day without trouble. Coffee? every day is fine different drugs have different danger

> Coffee? every day is fine

I wonder how people will look back on coffee hundreds of years from now. "Almost everyone used to constantly drink an addictive stimulant. Shops on every block sold it. People stated that they couldn't function (or even talk) in the morning until they had consumed the stimulant. At work, people needed to take constant stimulant breaks. If someone went a day without it, they often suffered debilitating headaches." It sounds like dystopian science fiction.

(To be clear, I'm not opposed to coffee. It's just one of those things that seems strange if you think about it from a distant perspective.)

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Post by colinmhayes » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:23 PM UTC

dfxm12 wrote: post #11

PaulHoule wrote: post #2

I know a cannabis entrepreneur who makes high-quality gummies standardized to 150 mg THC which is, I think, too much. As a cannabis experienced user I find these make me feel hosed for six hours or so. It may or may not be a good time, but I'm certainly not going to do more than lay on my ass. If I take half of one of those (75 mg) it is a strong intoxication, pretty consistently a good time, and I can go for a walk,…

Is this in the US? What state? I've only seen menus in NJ, IL, and most edibles are like 5-10mg per piece and seem to top out at 25mg per piece, but those tend to be big pieces that look like they are meant to be broken apart (like a Hershey bar). I think setting national standards around this would be just one benefit of legalizing recreational use at the federal level.

I know that michigan has a law that allows for private transactions between medical smokers and licensed "caretakers". These caretakers are basically unregulated, so they can have a huge greenhouse operation with just a couple patients. People in Chicago drive to michigan to get the caretakers "extra" product.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by officeplant » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:23 PM UTC

"teens are getting sick vaping the strongest shit we've ever created"

Well no shit. I'm an adult that has smoked weed for 15 years now and even in my late 30's I can't handle more than a few hits of concentrated wax/oils.

How is this any different from 15 year olds sneaking their parents everclear to make some strong punch?

Is it the drugs fault or the fact that we suck at keeping substances out of the hands of minors.