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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by lostmsu » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:10 PM UTC

fzeroracer wrote: post #172

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #130

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Users of weed do more to keep it illegal by their off-putting rhetoric than any Refer Madness propaganda does. I've been in favor of legalization for decades but really dislike discussing it with users because of their often lack of self-awareness and tendency to be just as dishonest as those against it.

What? Like, films such as Reefer Madness were created at the height of the anti-marijuana propaganda drive fueled by strongly racist rhetoric to stamp out minorities. That drive and rhetoric dictated US policy for over 50 years, resulted in increasing penalties against marijuana users and leads up to the current day where it's still classified as Schedule I drug. Your framing of the situation is just remarkably wrong…

Your comment kinda demonstrates his point though. He made a comparison, and you pointed out that what he compared weed consumption to is crazy. And you said absolutely nothing about weed consumption itself which is required to understand the validity of the comparison. And not providing that part is exactly demonstrating the lack of self-awareness.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by marginalia_nu » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:10 PM UTC

blowski wrote: post #218

marginalia_nu wrote: post #200

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I think this is largely the problem with mobile phones as well. Like you probably aren't going to go mad or get rectangular eyes or whatever, but you can just sort of sedate that sensation of boredom with scrolling reddit or facebook or whatever, which does all of bupkis for making us happy in the long term.

This is the same argument with all consuming vs producing. It's why there was a moral panic in the 1800s over Jane Austen style fiction, in the 1930s over radio, and so on. Being addicted to cannabis is not really any different to playing computer games 12 hours a day, doing endless marathons, watching sports, investing, or many similar activities.

Some of those moral panics did lead to action though.

Hard drugs, alcohol, gambling, duels; a lot of this stuff is if not banned then at least restricted and regulated.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by bryans » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:10 PM UTC

Mo3 wrote: post #15

I live in the Netherlands where there is a "coffeeshop" culture, with some of these coffeeshops having a connaisseur-like focus - as in, they sometimes even offer extremely exotic strains that you've never heard about and aren't even on Leafly etc yet, sourced from god knows where 10000 miles away, and then carefully and passionately grown and cured - and I can 100% guarantee you that people are not necessarily getti…

You don't have any understanding of what CHS is or how it works, so it's entirely inappropriate for you to be making claims about how anyone who suffers from it must be "stupid or naive." From behaviors, to how strains work, to how people get sick, absolutely none of what you said has any foundation in reality.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by chaostheory » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:12 PM UTC

LazyMans wrote: post #155

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

Many years ago I was sitting at my computer smoking after work like I normally did, and I asked myself, "What would I be doing if I wasn't smoking right now" and I couldn't answer it. I tapered off pretty easily and began to fill my time with other hobbies. I was never the type of smoker which was "active". I would smoke socially and began to hate that I could never remember people's names or conversations. It made m…

> it's still very easy for me to overshoot and get into a state I hate. Marijuana turns me into a complete idiot and creates a sort of cerebral haze I can't stand

I can only enjoy THC as a sleep aid for the reasons you’ve highlighted above. For me, it feels like mj is underclocking my brain. I am aware of it and I hate being slow. It’s a terrible feeling. I enjoy alcohol much more even though mj is safer overall.

The real danger of marijuana is that for a small portion of the population it can induce schizophrenia, but it only affects a very small segment of the population since I believe you have to be in your early 20s or younger and be genetically prone to it

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by disqard » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:13 PM UTC

blowski wrote: post #218

marginalia_nu wrote: post #200

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I think this is largely the problem with mobile phones as well. Like you probably aren't going to go mad or get rectangular eyes or whatever, but you can just sort of sedate that sensation of boredom with scrolling reddit or facebook or whatever, which does all of bupkis for making us happy in the long term.

This is the same argument with all consuming vs producing. It's why there was a moral panic in the 1800s over Jane Austen style fiction, in the 1930s over radio, and so on. Being addicted to cannabis is not really any different to playing computer games 12 hours a day, doing endless marathons, watching sports, investing, or many similar activities.

I'm 90% sure that "endless marathons" referred to "watching entire seasons of shows on NetFlix", not "running 26.2 miles over and over".

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by ctoth » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:13 PM UTC

aerostable_slug wrote: post #230

murat124 wrote: post #132

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The thing with cannabis (with THC) is that it makes doing nothing OK so you may realize after some time of daily use that you have accepted doing nothing as a legit activity, contrarily when not high you'd either do something to utilize that time or may feel bad that you have nothing to do (bored). Cannabis has not much of physical addiction properties which is great yet one day you may find 10 years have got behind…

> one day you may find 10 years have got behind you Is it a bad sign that I heard that in David Gilmour's and Richard Wright's voices?

I was literally reading with a screen reader and my brain stopped listening to the speech after this sentence to play that clip of audio. I even got the music.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by dbtc » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:14 PM UTC

marginalia_nu wrote: post #200

mesofile wrote: post #119

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I thought the way that South Park put it (in the voice of Randy Marsh) many years ago was just about perfect: “Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and ...it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored and... It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or... being creat…

I think this is largely the problem with mobile phones as well. Like you probably aren't going to go mad or get rectangular eyes or whatever, but you can just sort of sedate that sensation of boredom with scrolling reddit or facebook or whatever, which does all of bupkis for making us happy in the long term.

phonestoned

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by Mo3 » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:14 PM UTC

bryans wrote: post #273

Mo3 wrote: post #15

I live in the Netherlands where there is a "coffeeshop" culture, with some of these coffeeshops having a connaisseur-like focus - as in, they sometimes even offer extremely exotic strains that you've never heard about and aren't even on Leafly etc yet, sourced from god knows where 10000 miles away, and then carefully and passionately grown and cured - and I can 100% guarantee you that people are not necessarily getti…

You don't have any understanding of what CHS is or how it works, so it's entirely inappropriate for you to be making claims about how anyone who suffers from it must be "stupid or naive." From behaviors, to how strains work, to how people get sick, absolutely none of what you said has any foundation in reality.

Listen, if you start to suffer from conditions like this after heavy chronic usage, you simply stop using, or you are, in fact, stupid. It's not that hard. It's also not nearly as common as this article tries to propagate, so my statements still stand and I am absolutely certain 98-99% of "sickness" is not because of a rare condition that mostly only happens to the top quantile of chronic and/or concentrate users. If teens actually start to experience continuous adverse reactions after years of gigantic chronic consumption they have bigger problems than weed.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by wincy » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:15 PM UTC

slg wrote: post #90

jerf wrote: post #74

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It is brought up with other things. Perhaps you are extra sensitive about the weed topic for your own personal reasons. "Video games" is a particularly bad counter example, there's a lot of chatter around video game addictiveness and what it can do to vulnerable minds. There's always been some low-key discussion of it but the increasing prevalence of "loot boxes" and their corresponding mechanics have not just increa…

You are debating a different aspect of video games. The complaint against loot boxes is not that they prevent video game players from reaching their true productive potential. They don't do that. The problem with loot boxes is that they are exploitative.

Before loot boxes existed you had Diablo 2, which instead of your money you were trading your time to get the best items. I wasted thousands of hours of my prime years trying to gamble my way to the “perfect build”. World of Warcraft was the same way, only writ large and perfected with raids. I’ve spent literal years of my life playing Blizzard games and hate myself for wasting so much time.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by jb1991 » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:15 PM UTC

jamal-kumar wrote: post #256

akpa1 wrote: post #194

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The article link still does not work for me in a private window in FF. But what is "hax" ? Whatever that means, that's the only thing I'm not doing.